Lee, .30 cal., 113 F , gas check

Ben

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Commonly know as the " Soup Can ".
I've owned several of these in the past. I've given some to friends, loaned out a few that never made it home, etc...... I got another one in the mail today.
I'm lucky that I get a nice round bullet with this new mould that sizes well to .311". I plan to shoot these out of my Ruger # 1, 30-30 Win. and Rem. 788, 30-30 at 32-20 velocities.
Might be fun.

Ben

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Sized .311, lubed, and then rolled in BLL :

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This should be enough to allow some preliminary testing :

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JWFilips

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Ben,
As one of your past recipients of this mould I have yet to come up with a winning combination. Mine is Gas Check & Plain base now ( AKA The Ben system of Plain base-ing) The closest I have come in my 340 savage 30 WCF is up there for me @ 1200 to 1300 fps
However Subsonic I can not get them to work....but I can get heavier bullets to shoot well. Go Figure!
Every bullet and mould is an individual ( as we all know here!)
 
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Ben

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As many .30 cal. rifles that I have here, .........surely something will shoot these bullets well ? ? ?

Ben
 

Spindrift

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I find the «soup can» a charming, little bullet. And I’m sure you’ll get it to work, Ben. I have the same mould, but I’ve never really found accuracy with it. My efforts have been limited, though. Please keep us posted on your results. Best of luck!
 

CZ93X62

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My Soup Can mould must be at least 15 years old. Its castings have done good work in a couple 30/30 lever guns sized @ .310", sizes/cleans up in a .311" H&I die sufficiently for use in the M-44 (7.62 x 54R) with fair results, and does OK in my 30-06 @ .309". Where it REALLY shines is in the 30 Carbine Blackhawk--I have run these at 1400 FPS+ with 2400 and AA-9, and they just plain SHOOT. These are the revolver's best bullet, jacketed or cast.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
My Soup Can is a 6 banger Group Buy from at least 10 years back. IIRC they also drop .311. My K32 LOVES them! Great little bullet. If they'd make one that dropped .314 it might even replace the 311316 Lyman.
 

CZ93X62

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Nice. My copy of #311316 won't quite "clean up" in a true .314" die that matches the throats in my Model 16-4. It shoots OK, but 95-100 grain bullets do better work than the 110-120s, even if they fit well. So far, the 32 S&W Longs and the 32 H&R Mags I have played with preferred the 85-105 grain-class bullets to the "heavies", and the 32/20s and 30 Carbines (long and short) have done better with the 110-125 grainers. The 327 Federal (so far) seems to like just about every weight-class. It is a remarkable caliber.

Ya wanna know what would prompt me to purchase one of the new-series Colt Pythons? Chamber those critters in 327 Federal as well as 357 Magnum. SOLD--immediately. A 6" Diamondback x 327 wouldn't hurt my feelings, either. (AAUUGGHH......that new Python has warped my mind......)
 
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4060MAY

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I have one of the original fat soupcan group buys, casts .314+, sized to .313 checked with WC680, 32-20 Win , rifle model 53 Browning, minute of Ram all day, 100yds with barrel sights, 1720 chrono.
tried it in my 91/30, was ok but not as good as others, also have a group buy 120gr, PB, 6cav...goto bullet in 32-20, 327Fed Mag, 32S&W long
 

CZ93X62

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SOMEBODY besides Ruger needs to build a 327 Federal revolver with Kit Gun or hunting-length barrels. AND NO ROONEY-GUN RAY-BAR (rhymes with %$^-bar) FRONT SIGHTS.

Henry Rifles knows what time it is, and got on board. Good on 'em.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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Being of Bullseye linkage I truly appreciate a quality blues steel adjustable sire set. But age takes its toll on us all and I find these “Glow worm” sites beneficial as they are a blur anyway but now I can see and align these “dots” to shoot them.
Are these what you do not like ‘62?

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John

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I had good luck with the soup can and a now gone surplus powder in 308. IIRC, it was WC846 and I loaded 20 some grains, not caring about SEE and shot at a 200 yard gong, It was satisfying yo shoot and hear the ping seconds later.
I dehorned a sc as my first dehorning project and it has done OK in the 32 H&R and 32 long but not near what the RCBS 98 SWC does. I have substituted it for wc or 3118 and shot nice groups at the 25 yard line with a 30-30 contender. It stops jackrabbits but I have never tried it on anything else.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Being of Bullseye linkage I truly appreciate a quality blues steel adjustable sire set. But age takes its toll on us all and I find these “Glow worm” sites beneficial as they are a blur anyway but now I can see and align these “dots” to shoot them.
Are these what you do not like ‘62?

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Those are great for defensive work or popping charging rocks. But, for me at least, they become a giant floating fluorescent blob on game or targets. I think they exist on factory guns like that because it's a form of "bling" to most consumers.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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I was t a huge proponent untill I past the fifty mark. Unsure where you are. As I approach 60 they are a assert. I’m liking them better with older eyes.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Just passed the 60 mark. We have some guns with them and they just obscure stuff for me. I need either a peep or a rear sight that lets me see some significant light either side of the front sight. Same for rifles and handguns. I think it might be partly a function of the fluorescence of the brightly colored sights. FWIW, I can't really make out 3 dot sights any better. The dots are just a blur on black.

I ain't exactly a sharpshooter anymore...
 

35remington

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I had very good luck in terms of accuracy with the C113F in a Savage 30-05 using 9 grains of Bullseye, Red Dot, or W231. I stuck with W231 and with this charge get 1550 fps and very acceptable accuracy. Cast out of straight lino these cause relatively little damage to squirrels and rabbits as long as not much bone is hit. Cast of mostly straight wheelweights these expand somewhat on close to medium range shots and damage is more marked. Not like a 22-250 but enough that sticking with Lino is/was advisable at this speed.

A lot less than a Hornady 100 short jacket at 2000 fps does though. Don’t ask what possessed me to try a shot at a squirrel on the ground with that combo. Two piece squirrel. The 113F shoots better than that does.

I had great hopes for it in a Marlin 308 and so far it has shown only relatively so so accuracy despite having what I thought was a favorable throat. I need to retry before I write it off in that rifle.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I used to get 2 piece, or nearly so, Grey Squirrels at 1400 with the similar 311316. Headshots were fine, but when they were "scrunched up" in the sitting position you didn't want to try for a heart shot. Of course more speed would do more of the same. When you think about it, shooting ou rsmaller Greys up north with a 30 cal FN is about like launching a 50 lbs Crisco can into a humans chest. Gonna move some material around for sure.