Looking for mould for H4195 in 30-357

Mike H

New Member
The 22lr’s have 1.42 approx grains of a black peppery power in them.Took. Few more 10x powder out of the 22’s
some Cleaned up with a wire wheel and a rub of reds red on them.Finger lubed with a thin wax lube .
shot so-so in my most hated 22lr. Jury is still out as I discovered my scope was loose when I got home.
dohhh.
Back to work again.

Loaded and shot some mag primer loads with 11 grains adi AR2207.
some saeco clone 315 180 grn some mummies of the brown variety left in the bore.
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No tipping.
Cbe 190 grn fp left some mummies as well with one real wide flyer.
I think it‘s the old lube on them playing up.Shows some tipping.
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winner for the day would be the cbe 303215 grn pointy bullet.
Burn was clean but showed stringing,but load development would improve that.
minor tipping but upping the charge may help.
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So the mag primers helped a lot.
Think 215+ grn bullet could be a good one for my gun and this powder.

I fired some of the lyman3113 bullets with 3.6 grains of bulleye and they grouped o.k. and shot to point of aim and no tipping.
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I did try some duplex loads.with adi 2207 and 150 pb bullets they weren’t particularly sedentary and performed like I thought they would.
maybe I could try a case of real slow burning stuff.
I probably not go there again thou.
The fired primers were rounded blown out with a small dimple in them. One was flat but rounded edges with a small dimple.
I think it built some pressure.
Extraction was o.k. But it wouldn’t take much to make it sticky or maybe even try and force a primer in the firing pin hole.
Think I’ll leave it lying still.

The pb bullets leaded a little in spite of a filler used.
I have some fast powders to burn and I’ll keep using mag primers with the adi 2207.


How I missed the mag primer in the load recommendations I dunno.
human I suppose.
Seems I need to stick to 220 min and mag primers to make it work , just like where the load data starts.
ha.
Couple of years we should be getting some fast powders again I hope.

Thanks for the help.
I may post some more efforts if any one is interested.

Bruce.
Good work there Bruce,what were the magnum primers? It’s a shame we are so far apart,being a bit of a bower bird,I have plenty of part filled containers of powder from the fastest shotgun/pistol powders to H4831and a good assortment of primers.
 

John

Active Member
With the 30-38 special my best results have been in the 125 gr range though I have dabbled in the 150's. Pistol powders are your friend but if they are unobtainable, I would be experimenting too. Can you get 680 or 4227? Our standards with this 30 badger are 2-3 gr Bullseye, 5 gr AA5 or 7 gr AA7.
 

Barra

Member
The magnum Primers I used are cci small rifle magnum.
Think I’ll keep playing around a little.
I use 3.2-3.4 grns of bulleye for 150-180 grainer’s.
2.8 gn for the Lee soupcan.

I’ll keep playing around.
2207 is as fast as I can get .
‘Never used ww ball powders.
 

Barra

Member
Had a day off at the range just for fun.
well I put a new front sight on my gun but screwed it up abit.

So I tried the 22lr’s and they sprayed a nice 3" pattern at 50 yards. so I have given up on them.
I have a 1000 of them and saw on YouTube a bloke using the cases chopped of as substitute #11 primers.
I don’t do black powder yet.
melt the lead down and cast a few.

I sighted in the martini and shot some cbe 303215’s over 5 grains bulleye.
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First shot was high Followed by a nice group within an inch at 50 yards.
well the bore ain’t leaded I think.
proves to myself my sizing die is working at least reasonably well.
‘Everything is good. "It will shoot"
Same impact as 120 grn Lee soupcan.

Next picture demostrates the difference between hard breachseated bullets and just nestled up to the end of the throat.
The first couple shot higher with just using a chamber guide to seat the bullet.I then made a plugged Case using a cast bullet in a empty case thinking of god like groups were going to appear.
The low left are the ones seated hard into the lands.
‘About mid stream are average seating.
some seemed to sound slightly different.
Well it did find some enlightenment Thou.
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Ohh a came across a 300 blk user and he gave me a couple of empties.

I have quickly filled each case with 2207 and mine holds 1.1 grains less.
with this factual knowledge I have something to go off instead of iffy interweb , should be about that ish capacity.

Back to work on the 2207 maybe

Thanks.
Bruce
 
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Barra

Member
Well basically given up on the 2207 powder with lower pressure loads with the higher loads with the 180grn 315 it burnt clean. 34000psi.
I tried some loads with adi 2205 which is now extinct and harder to find anyone willing to part with Any.
Given the loads from adi and magnum small rifle primers I set forth with 34000 psi loads minus 1.1 grn for the case.They all burnt cleaner than I have gotten before.
Interesting , I wish I had more projectiles to play with but am happy that Mike H sent me what he did.
I ladder tested some 315 gced and 16.5 grns of adi2207 grouped the best.
They ought to be humming along at 1500-1600 fps. For a 180 Grn’er in my 5lb gun and thin steel butt plate it is starting to get lively with a bit of muzzle jump.
Not bad but I think when the butt plate wears a groove in my collar bone it ought to group a little better.
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Moving along the The 303215 at approx 1000 fps with 2205 and mag primer grouped pretty good .
There is a couple of holes too big for the point bullet and I lost one somewhere or other.
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The Lee soup can with 15 grns of 2205 and a mag primer ought to have gone 1800 fps.
‘Nice load now the powder is kapu. Ha
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To top off the day 2x 22lr ww bulk pack 38 grn cjhp and 120 Lee soupcan did real well.
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The adi loads worked better with the mag primer as shown but the faster 2205 was a clear winner overall.
Thanks for the help.
there must be a pig load in there somewhere all amongst the junk.
‘The bullets of the heavier kind worked quite well after I remodelled them in my dies some what.
I’m hoping my groups somewhat compare to what others are getting out there.
‘The 240 grners would put a bit of thump into things going just subsonic and went beyond my expectations.Shot pretty clean as well.
The pointy 215 grainers look the part and may be good on paper if I have the powder for them.
The rest have been in between but I think it was me do the bullets letting me down.
I may cast some 150’s and try as these may be a little tamer than the 180’s.
Then it may be back to mouse fart soupcan and 150’s for me for a while.
Bruce
 
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fiver

Well-Known Member
that 315 would be my choice.
your balancing just about the right speed and accuracy out to 100 yds--meters whichever comes first... LOL
with a decent meplat and good bullet weight for penetration.
 

Barra

Member
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Thinking of investing in this CBE 309225 grn mould.
B.c. Might not be as good as a rn or more pointy bullet but could pack a bit of punch @sub to 13-1400 fps.
Thinking it might work as a decent pig / heavy hitter round and plow straight though for anchoring things on the spot.
‘I’d prefer to anchor a pig than track it 50 yrds in the scrub. And provide a coupe de gras shot.

The 315 might be good enough as it is thou.

The only thing I have hunted for years are gecko’s, cane toads and rats.
ha!
Bruce.
 

Spindrift

Well-Known Member
I’m sure you’ll get ample penetration with that bullet. But probably not much expansion? You might be just as well served with the #315, I think. The meplat size is similar, but your velocity potential (with top loads) would be greater- I assume.

CBE makes nice moulds. I only wish they would provide more detail concerning the dimensions of their bullets.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
that one looks long.
it may not stabilize in a 10 twist, especially at the lower speeds.
 

Barra

Member
Forgot to post a pic of the CBE 240 grainers with gc’ed and 2205 powder they did well.
lounging along at 1050 fps powder data figures.
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It has a 1:8 twist and stabilised these real well.
These all have larger noses and drive bands that need sizing.
Prefer something that didn’t need any thou.
The CBE bullet is the 225 grain blackout bullet.
the moulds are nice but I wish they put some more dimensions in their specs.
 
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Spindrift

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Nice to know a 1:8in twist will stabilize those 240- grainers. All my .30- cal rifles have 1:10in twist, which is a good all-round solution. But I've been considering getting a 1:8 barrel for subsonic stabilisation of some 220+ bullets.
 

fiver

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i have a 1-7 on my 300 it stabilizes everything,,, till it don't..LOL
but by then i might as well be shooting something like a 380 with 200gr. bullets anyway.
 

Barra

Member
Had a big day today fireforming cases and shooting groups.
Did a ladder test the 315 gc’ed with 16.7 grns 2207 sparked with a cci mag small rifle primer the rifle just loves it.
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That will do me for a hunting load I think. @1600 fps or more could be usefull.

I took a picture of this fella as his style sort of suits mine somewhat.
the rifle is a bit of a kicker so sighting it in he needs some width and softness On the recoil pad.
ha.

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For what it’s worth this this is what I look like.
‘Shooting offhand at a milky drink bottle at 60 yrds.
Does this shirt make my belly look fat?
It was hot and humid and summer is gunna burn for sure this year.
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fiver

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nah the camo hides it.

i like the shoe idea though, that's thinking.

one question.
i thought they called your place the land down under?
looks like your only at the equator...... LOL.
 

Barra

Member
Well I must have the region on the computer wrong as they all go cactus wompus on me when I load a photo.
If it was right ,then the photos would all be upside down; and the little bit of precious powder I have in my thrower would surely fall out.
This way the charge is always at the front of the case making a nice uniform ig Orion and velocities.

Thanks all.
Working on my one case shooting but it needs more work.
 

Barra

Member
I went and picked up a CBE 309 225 grn fp mold.
Shoots well without gas checks as cast and 5 grns bulleye at 100 yrds.
The mold was a little cool or I need to break it in a little more.
The lower right hand stray was me reading the wind wrong.
I think I have a good choice and Next time I’ll try some 2207 powder in it.
‘It should cast a little wider with a slightly more tin alloy.
They show some tipping but still groups well.
‘Maybe they will tumble if they hit something.
Ha.
Thanks for the help.
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Ben

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Staff member
Can you refresh our memories with the rifle specs. that you are shooting these out of ?