Love/hate glocks

[Walks]

I've had a Glock since the G17 came out in the mid-1980's. My Dad was absolutely HORRIFIED at the Idea of a plastic Pistol. He believed in only 3 9mm's; Luger, Hgh-Power and P-38.

My old 17 fed the #358242(121gr) w/o a bobble. The #356402, not so much. Never really noticed the "Glock smile" back then, never had a problem with it either. I traded off the Model 17 for the then brand new M23 in .40S&W and never looked back. That and an early M21 are all the Glocks I've kept. Both feed full power loads w/o a problem. In fact I can't remember ever having the M23 jam once. Not even with the very early Federal loads using a lead bullet.
If I carried a handgun concealed every day it would be a Glock 23. If I carried one in a uniform it would be My Glock 21.

 

[Mitty38]

The only thing that stopped me from buying a Glock for years was the grip angle and the stupid finger grooves that make holding the gun uncomfortable for me.

As far as quality, durability, accuracy, never had a bad opinion of them. I like the safety in the trigger thing with internal drop safety. And always did like the size of the G19 for a double stack. 16 rounds ready to go. No need to carry a second mag.

When I finally did get one it was one of those trade around things, just a trashed out parts trade gun.

Then I got my mits on a proper poly 80 build, a buddy had, to try it out.

My parts gun became a custom build after a little trading.
Parts are inexpensive and easy to get, the design is easy to understand and work on if you are anyhow mechanically inclined. A lot interchangability between models( kinda like Chevys used to be) . You can do a complete strip and reassembly, or do any repaired with 1 cheap tool and and a safety inspection cover, total cost of tool and inspection cover $10 bucks.
Now that I have gun in that format, with the grip deal and angle I like, It will never be parted with.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

I bought my first glock in early/mid 1990's? After a number of years instruction with a Commander on my hip.

For years I had students questioning who would be carrying a Glock and later a MP.

I was a 45 guy never have cotton to tge so called atributes of the 9mm. The 45 was proven. When the 40 came to be. I saw a caliber that was almost a 45 in diameter and ballistics actually doing what the 45 claimed but seldom reached. IE a 180/1000 fps. While it was thicker then my commander, it was lighter, I shot it just as well and it help twice the rounds. The low cost was a plus as well.
Back then Glock had a competition for just Glocks. I shot a few when they came around and did very well. Glock got in the 10mm game shortly after and I had been worried about cracking the frame on my Delta so this was a natural.

From there anotger 40, then another with a gen change. Then another 10mm. Then another G23 cause if price. It cane with a kkm 357 bbl in the box!! OMG I was hooked on the lil 357 sig.
I ordered a G24 when Glock announced they would not offer it again with the Gen 4 guns. I had a 6" KKM 357 sig bbl before that order arrived. WOW WOW WOW. What a shooter!!!

I still used my Colts in Bullseye matches. But was competing with and carrying that second gen G23.

It wasnt untill I bought a Shield45 that that G23 was "retired" from EDC.

If this new M&P 10mm is as I hope and shoots as well as this 45 This one could be replaced as well.

CW

 

[Petrol & Powder]

When you get past the hate, the bias and misinformation; the Glock platform is very straightforward.

It uses a Browning tilting barrel system – nothing new there.

Barrel to slide locking is accomplished vis a squared ejection port, a VERY widely used system.

The passive firing pin safety is nearly universal in today’s pistols.

The striker is only partially tensioned before the trigger is pulled – which is good for safety but the source for a lot of the griping about the trigger (not quite a DA pull and not quite a SA pull)

The configuration of the pistol is very conventional – magazine release behind the trigger guard, slide release on the left side (now both sides on Gen 5 models), magazine located in the grip, nothing super weird in the layout.

The polymer frame was the source of a LOT of falsehoods, rumors and downright lies. Remarkedly, polymer frames are now widely accepted. The plastic frame will not rust, it’s lightweight, inexpensive to mass produce and they have proven to be very tough (despite the crazy stories that persisted in the early days of Glock).

The grip angle thing is largely personal preference. I find it interesting that people will embrace a Ruger MK II, H&K P7, Luger P-08 and yet if that same grip is made of plastic – the angle is all wrong.
Frankly, I feel the grip angle of the Glock/Luger/etc. points more naturally than the more vertical grips of say a 1911 – But that’s a personal thing and not a deal breaker.

Glocks ARE incredibly reliable and that’s not a myth. I’ve seen Glocks chug along with boring reliability since they appeared in the U.S.A. I’ve seen Glocks exposed to neglect and even abuse that worked without a hiccup. I’ve also seen the hate, misinformation and downright lies. I have acquaintances that have been to Iraq and Afghanistan as contractors. They were armed (in part) with Glock pistols and they wouldn’t trade them for ANY other pistol.

If you keep your mind and eyes open, you can learn a lot.

 

[Ian]

There is a good reason Ruger made the .22/45.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

There is a good reason Ruger made the .22/45.

Yes, because there were people that wanted it.
There are equally good reasons they made the Standard pistol, MKII, MKIII and MKIV.......

 

[Thumbcocker]

Have owned 2. Do not like them. Handguns are a personal thing with me.

That said, I do respect them for what they are, a reliable gun that is durable and accurate enough for its intended purpose. If I were in charge of equipping a group of folks with handguns it would probably be with Glocks. But I do not like them.

 

[Rushcreek]

I will never understand putting the safety on the trigger. Nope. Having said that, I've owned one (G22), my daughter has a G42 and did have a G21 but sold it, my brother has a G40. All great shooters. I thank Glock for forging the path that brought the S&W Shield along- my idea of the perfect pocket gun( with thumb safety - for my Colt Huntsman and 1911 muscle memory)

 

[L Ross]

The only concern I have for the safety on the trigger was that when I was working, if I should have been disarmed, any half witted, mouth breathing, street dwelling goblin could have instantly shot me. My training was to keep my finger off the trigger, and if my finger was on the trigger I was ready to shoot. A safety may become the equivalent of a manual transmission to modern generations and give the good guy a moment to attempt to retrieve his firearm or escape.

 

[CZ93X62]

If I was going to carry on a regular basis I would probably get a Glock. I have enough nice 1911s and revos to carry but I wouldn't want any of them sitting in an evidence locker after some type of incident.

This is the Glock system's strongest selling point, to me--you aren't heart-broken or out a lot of money if the gendarmerie holds your sidearm in an evidence locker.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

A couple of good points listed above that I wish to address.

First, the "safety" on the trigger. That device is sometimes a bit misunderstood. Yes, it does prevent the trigger from being depressed unless the center section is depressed but its real purpose is to prevent movement of the parts due to inertia. The trigger, trigger bar and related parts have very little mass, but they still have some mass. In an abundance of caution, Glock incorporated an additional passive safety into a system that already had several passive safeties. That lever in the middle of the trigger face isn’t a “safety” in the traditional sense, it is an additional passive safety designed to prevent unintended movement of the trigger bar (like say if the gun were dropped).


As for a manual safety serving to buy you time in the event of being forcibly disarmed? I’m not sure that’s a winning mindset. I understand that a manual safety could conceivably delay the discharge of the weapon, but I don’t think I would want to rely on that function in a life-or-death struggle.


Manual safeties are needed in some mechanical systems. For example, a 1911 would be extremely dangerous to carry with the hammer cocked – if the gun lacked a manual safety. If that platform lacked a manual safety, it would be reckless to rely on only the grip safety and sear. However, in other systems a manual safety is not needed. For example, the striker in a Glock is only partially tensioned when the trigger is not depressed AND there is a passive firing pin block that is only removed when the trigger is fully depressed. A manual safety in that system would be superfluous.

 

[L Ross]

In my opinion, a winning mindset takes into consideration every bit of information available to the combatant at the time. For example, in the midst of a knock down drag out bar brawl, with a 359 lb. mental patient that I did not know was a mental patient. I had one cuff on him when he over powered me and the real fight commenced. I was thrown against the bar rail, struck my head, and was disoriented. He attempted to disarm me. He was screaming in my ear that he was going to kill me. In addition to mentioning that he would like to sodomize me. He was behind me and had two fingers inside my nose which was broken and dragged over to the left side of my face. His finger nails left gouges in the leather finish of my holster, and inside my nose for that matter, as we struggled for control of my S&W 469. Information I had, that he did not, was the S&W had a magazine disconnect safety. I managed to punch the magazine release, extract the magazine and throw it across the bar beneath a small stage where low rent country music bands played. After that all I had to do was fight a delaying action until another officer arrived to assist me.

Yes my tactics were defective. I was well known to take stupid risks and that was neither the first nor the last time I had entered a scene without back up. Most likely a form of short man syndrome. On the other hand no one ever called me a hat holder either. Think of the guys that kept their heads and shoved the muzzle of a 1911 back or stuck the web of their thumb and fore finger between the hammer and the frame. That's a flipping mindset!

 

[Creeker]

Glocks work just not for me.

 

[CZ93X62]

Our last count on Glocks is 4 in the safe and one in service as EDC. The Glock 23 is such a good EDC gun that it is hard to leave at home. It is almost a half-pound lighter than the CZ-75B in 40 Short & Weak, and similar round capacity. The G-23 does a lot of things well.

 

[Petrol & Powder]

Our last count on Glocks is 4 in the safe and one in service as EDC. The Glock 23 is such a good EDC gun that it is hard to leave at home. It is almost a half-pound lighter than the CZ-75B in 40 Short & Weak, and similar round capacity. The G-23 does a lot of things well.

I share the same view of the G19. Sort of a Commander sized pistol with more capacity and less weight.