Lyman 311359

[CZ93X62]

NOE makes a dandy set of tools for pre-flaring Hornady gas check skirts to fit on Lyman check shanks. They are meant to be used in a reloading press in the ram's shellholder slot with a screw-in die that functions as a "stop" and anvil. I just bought a spare press ram and C-clip, and use the ram and flaring tool on a bench top. Not expensive.

I really should have a copy of the Lyman #311359, given all of the 30 caliber rifles and pistols I have on hand here--to include a 30 Carbine Blackhawk. If one block's cavities cast at ~.311", and another block's cavities poured in the .315" Area Code--life would be GRAND. I have managed in good order with one 2-banger Lyman #311316 that drops at .314" for gas check venues and my own design "MMSFTT" for plain-base usage that falls at .315"+. My copy of the Lee Soup Can (C309-113FN) just makes .311", so it works in the 30s but is too skinny for the 31s and 32s.

 

[Brad]

GC Flare tool

I'm like a proud father! Al has the flare tool live on his website. http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=432&osCsid=4r60cgllhju1hqd7pk0d1hrgd0 Here is a quick review of the tool he sent me for evaluation. The tool is very nicely machined. The business end of the ram is nicely...

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The GC flare tool should solve the problem of oversized check shanks.

 

[Ben]

I like the 311359 !
It is doubtful that Lyman ever envisioned the bullet being used in the 30-30 because of the spire pt.
However, I loaded 20 rounds with the Lyman 311359 in neck turned 30-30 brass with the 311359, sized to .310" with 7.0 grs. of B'Eye with a Wolf Large Pistol primer. & .014 " thickness Al g/cs that I make. Scope is a fixed power Burris Fullfield 6X.
20 rounds fired @ 50 yards.
This group was shot with my Handi Single shot 30-30 .
Obviously, I would not chamber these rounds in a mag. tube, lever action 30-30.

 

[Ian]

Seeing those loaded up immediately made me think Savage 1899. That's about all the bullet the magazine spool on mine can handle, so I didn't bother to throat the rifle for anything longer or larger. Good shooting there, Bullseye is an underrated powder for smallish rifle cases.

 

[Ben]

Ian,

I have real good luck with B'Eye in most all of my .30 cal. rifles.
In cast rifle loads, it is a powder that is often skipped over and ignored.
For me, it works well in the 1,000 - 1,350 fps speed range with my cast bullets.
Very economical also.

Ben

 

[Ian]

You nailed it, Ben. BE is also overlooked for .45 Colt and .44 Magnum much of the time, which is a shame because it absolutely excels in those two cartridges. I think many people are shy about it because of the low loading densities and gravitate toward Red Dot, but BE and Red Dot are not anywhere near the same thing in burn/pressure curve and BE wins out in my book. I still grab the Titegroup instead of BE for most of my powder-puff/subsonic rifle loads, but not because BE isn't good.

 

[Ben]

Yes, I have a 4 pounder of Titegroup and enjoy it also.

Ben

 

[Ian]

Lifetime supply there, Ben!

 

[fiver]

no it ain't.
17grs in the 12 ga burns it up pretty quickly.

bulls-eye has a wider burn curve than red-dot it's similar to the old 231's window just less is used.
I have some pretty good loads in the 357 using bullseye and the 148gr wadcutter moving along at a good clip from the revolver.

I have had good luck with gator checks on my 359 mold.
they pour out to about 312 for me and can be a buggar going through the 310 star die, but they take the gator checks pretty well.

 

[mattw]

GC Flare tool

I'm like a proud father! Al has the flare tool live on his website. http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=432&osCsid=4r60cgllhju1hqd7pk0d1hrgd0 Here is a quick review of the tool he sent me for evaluation. The tool is very nicely machined. The business end of the ram is nicely...

www.artfulbullet.com

The GC flare tool should solve the problem of oversized check shanks.

Thanks guys, I did not know that existed. I was going to work on a mechanical way to shave the shank a tiny bit, but that looks better!

 

[mattw]

NOE makes a dandy set of tools for pre-flaring Hornady gas check skirts to fit on Lyman check shanks. They are meant to be used in a reloading press in the ram's shellholder slot with a screw-in die that functions as a "stop" and anvil. I just bought a spare press ram and C-clip, and use the ram and flaring tool on a bench top. Not expensive.

I really should have a copy of the Lyman #311359, given all of the 30 caliber rifles and pistols I have on hand here--to include a 30 Carbine Blackhawk. If one block's cavities cast at ~.311", and another block's cavities poured in the .315" Area Code--life would be GRAND. I have managed in good order with one 2-banger Lyman #311316 that drops at .314" for gas check venues and my own design "MMSFTT" for plain-base usage that falls at .315"+. My copy of the Lee Soup Can (C309-113FN) just makes .311", so it works in the 30s but is too skinny for the 31s and 32s.

If you are interested in the mould... drop me a pm. I just decided to try it in the 300 bo and it works, but not ideal. I have 2C standard and 1C hollow point.

 

[fiver]

NOE also has a tool for cutting an angle on the base of the gas check shank.

 

[Spindrift]

I mount stubborn gas checks with my press. What you see is, from the bottom:

1. the ram of the reloading press
2. NOE top punch holder
3. Appropriate top punch, more or less
4. Bullet and gas check
5. random lee sizer mounted in the press with a push rod jammed in, so the bottom of the push rod functions as an «anvil»

Checks are mounted, completely square and bottomed out, with no effort. You can also mount the appropriate sizer in the press, and do the seating operation by holding a flat piece of metal (I use a steel ruler) between the gas check and sizer mouth, remove the ruler and shove the bullet base-first through the sizer. Quite effective system with good results.

 

[Ian]

Spindrift, if I could have given that ten "likes" instead of just one, I would have. I didn't know NOE made such a thing, but I have a lathe and some steel rod someone gave me recently....

 

[Spindrift]

Thank you, Ian! The top punch holder came with the bushing- based push-through sizer. Very clever piece of gear!
Must be fun to be able to shape metal like many of you guys. My metal shop skills never developed beyond hammering a flat piece of copper into a slightly curved ashtray in school

 

[RicinYakima]

Sorry, those were made for pre-1970 slip on gas checks, not the crimp on. You can find them in the old metal cans on eBay.