Lyman #311419

CZ93X62

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I know--WTHeck izzat?

Continuing with the unusual/scarce mould theme, this one came to me from The Mould Guy at BRGS at least 15 years ago. At that time it had been out of print for a while, and shows no likelihood of rejoining the Lyman lineup. It was meant for the 32/20 WCF High Velocity application, and mine is a 90 grain (in 92/6/2 alloy) flat-point with a gas check shank. It resembles a Lyman #311316 that lost one of its center drive bands. It has very little lube capacity, the shank gap is about the same size and depth as its sole vestige of a lube groove. I have yet to try it in a rifle-length barrel for this reason. It "cleans up" in a .312" H&I die, and doesn't quite fully do so in a .313" die.

Where it has excelled is in the 7.62 x 25 Tokarev for the CZ-52 pistol. Using enough AA-7 powder to prompt these along at 1550-1600 FPS, they remain jackrabbit-accurate to 100 yards and beyond. Basically, start at 7.0 grains for about 1275 FPS and keep going. Once past 1400 FPS, the brass gets launched into the next township/low earth orbit, so it is nice that Starline continues to supply them. They give a satisfying THWOCK when striking jacks or ground squirrels, too.

Yes, they consume gas checks. Loading them is a mite pricey for this reason. SO WORTH IT, though.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I've bid on a couple of those over the years. Never bid enough I guess. I had the 32 S+w Long in mind when I was looking as much as the 32-20. The 316 is sooooooo good in the 32-20 that I wasn't real hot on that end of things. The Long though, that one could use a bit less hefty FN design and flatten the arc to target a bit. In the end the Lee Soup Can out the K32 did exactly what I was wanting with that Lyman number. But she's tight for a 32. If I ever get the Remington #4 fixed the Lyman would be back on my list of wants. She used to like stuff up in the .314 area and Lee doesn't come close to that. Of course my speeds will be well under what you're getting in those exotic spy guns!
 

462

California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
The CZ-52 had a weird grip angle that was seemingly designed to naturally point at an opponent's groin. In my hand that was case, anyway.
A rock solid gun, nonetheless, with its miniaturized machine gun dual-roller lockup, and with ammunition that sent a bullet speeding along at the velocity of light.
It is the only gun I sold that I don't miss doing so.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
"Exotic" CZ-52. Oh, RIGHT. It and its understudy the CZ-50 (32 ACP) both look like Star Trek props.


Captain Kirk- "Set your CZ-52 to "Kill" Mr Spock!" Spock- "Captain, the Federation issue CZ-52 only goes to "Stun". May I suggest we throw the guns at the Klingons and attempt to strike them in the head thereby rendering them unconscious?"

Sorry, that picture just popped into my head..........
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
Bret et al--

YES, Lyman #311316 is a great bullet in the 32/20 rifles I have owned. I suppose I should try the "419" in the Marlin's longer tube, and stop letting the CZ-52 and the ChiCom Tokarev have all the fun. Given the advances made in bullet lube tech over the years, Carnauba Red should suffice for "419" and a 20" traverse downbore at 1800+ FPS. In the 25/20, Lyman #257420 survives in good order to 1900 FPS with its paltry amount of C/R and the 22" Marlin 94CL. That "420" does BAD THINGS to jacks and ground squirrels when they connect.

Sometimes I over-think things, when I would be better served to just muddle through and see what happens.