Lyman 452374
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Creeker
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The mould came with a used Master Caster & laid in the shop forever before I decided to load the 45 ACP case. For some reason I was never a fan of the cartridge. Shot 6 guns 99.9% of the time. That changed with the purchase of an extra cylinder for my 45 Blackhawk. It was then I put handles on the mould & tried it. I was really surprised at the diameter of the bullets. I sized them .454" for the Ruger & after a few loads found what I was looking for. I think you will be happy.
Matt_G
Curmudgeon in training
For me? Bullseye matches. Lyman 452460 is the bees knees in my gun.
That said, I don't shoot Bullseye anymore and really need to get some round nose loaded for the 45.
I don't have a Lyman 452374 but I do have a Saeco 456.
Not the same I know but I will see how my gun likes that bullet.
I sure was bummed when GAR shut their doors.
I really miss them.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
That #452374 mould that cast at .457" would have been just the ticket for my first S&W M-25-2 x 6.5". Taylor-throat the forcing cone, and carry on. .451" grooves, and .456" throats. N-frame 44s and 45s of that vintage all had cavernous oversized throats for some reason (late 1970s-mid 1980s). After a year and a half of failures with castings (but decent with j-words) I sold it off in 1982. I might have done things differently these days, but back then I too many other fish to fry to waste time dancing with a cranky poorly-dimensioned revolver.
462
California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Yep, a fat .457" 452374 would have been perfect for that English/Canadian acceptance marked and 1916 manufactured S&W Second Model Hand Ejector that someone cut its barrel down to just in front of the ejector rod housing. It was the perfect truck gun, but, alas, I couldn't cast a bullet too fat enough for it to not spray.
Knowing what I know now, a .45-70 collar button might of been the answer.
Would have liked to have known its history -- Ypres? Passchendaele? The Somme?
Knowing what I know now, a .45-70 collar button might of been the answer.
Would have liked to have known its history -- Ypres? Passchendaele? The Somme?
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I found the answer! After the Schofield was dropped in 1880, they never made any more .45's. S&W keep the dimensions for their 1914 English .455 Webley's for ever. They were never updated until 1989 Model .45's. My S&W second model .455 works great with .456" sized bullets.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
OK--I knew there had to be a reason for those wide-bodied 45 ACP and 45 Colt throats. Thank you. Suet-headed logic, but logic it is.
As for the wide 44s, the %$^ &^*# SAAMI specs actually call for throating up to .433" on the caliber spec prints. So S&W was "Following SAAMI Specs" on that caliber. How perverse. It didn't hurt sales one bit, though--post Harry Callahan.
As for the wide 44s, the %$^ &^*# SAAMI specs actually call for throating up to .433" on the caliber spec prints. So S&W was "Following SAAMI Specs" on that caliber. How perverse. It didn't hurt sales one bit, though--post Harry Callahan.
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
SAAMI is not an engineering group, but a committee of makers of guns and ammo. The specifications are what builders and makers want it to be. S&W invented the .44 Russian and said throats .433" and never changed it for any of their new calibers.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
Yessir. Those here that remember Gopher Slayer (one of the Burrito Shoot co-conspirators) and myself went to an estate sale where the items included 6 Model 29 and 629 S&Ws listed for sale. We took pin gauges with us--and the 36 throats were as follows--2 throats passed .432" pins, one passed a .434" pin, and the rest were .433". Commercial jacketed bullets are almost all made between .429" and .430".
Small wonder that the properly-dimensioned 41 Magnum sells so well.
I am a BIG fan of the .45 ACP in both 1911's and revolvers. These days, I mostly shoot my revolvers. My 625's came with proper .452" throats and get fed .452" H&G #68 bullets as well as my 1911. My Ruger SS Bisley convertible came with undersized throats. I reamed them to .4525" and shoot the same bullet in the .45 ACP cylinder with excellent results. I save the .45 Colt cylinder for the heavy bullets. Frankly, I mostly shoot the ACP cylinder in the Bisley. My favorite .45 ACP revolver, I confess is my 625-8 JM Special 4". I have a Red Dot sight on it and it shoots EXTREMELY well! It is a true pleasure to shoot my favorite target load (200 gr. #68 bullet ahead of 4.0 grs. of Bullseye or equivalent).
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