Lyman Gould Hollow Point (.45 Cal Muzzleloader Test)

Idaholewis

Active Member
This is an AWESOME little Bullet, A friend of mine from another Forum sent me these to Test, He makes them Hollow Point as the original design of the Bullet, and he also had a Sold Pin made so he Could Pour these Solid NON Hollow Point as Well. AWESOME BULLET!!

Cast of SOFT PURE Lead. Target was actually 107 Yards with my Leica Rangefinder, My .45 Cal TC Hawken with 1:30 Twist Green Mountain LRH Barrel, Open/Peep Sights. Lyman Front Globe with Lee Shaver’s BPCR Inserts. Looking at the Target on the Far Bank
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And the Solid Version of the Same Bullet, This is an AWESOME Bullet, one of my FAVORITES For Sure!
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After shooting his above, Of Course i had to go Buy my own Mold :) I had a Solid Pin Made for mine as Well
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The Man that Built my Solid Pin did an AWESOME Job on it, FAR SUPERIOR to the Little Keeper Clip that comes with the Stock Lyman Pins
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Brad

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Staff member
I used that same bullet, of pure lead, in my inline ML. Sized with a push Thur sizer to .452. A pure lead bullet at 1500 FPS makes a serious impact on a deer. My dad shot one with it over snow and the blood trail looked like someone had cut a hole in a bucket of paint.

how hard are those to get started in the bore?
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
There is one stuffed in my front loader six inches in front of me as I read this sitting on stand!!

Great bullet

Mine is in a harvester sabot on top of 90g plyodex select it shoots clovers @ 50 yards.

CW
 

Idaholewis

Active Member
I used that same bullet, of pure lead, in my inline ML. Sized with a push Thur sizer to .452. A pure lead bullet at 1500 FPS makes a serious impact on a deer. My dad shot one with it over snow and the blood trail looked like someone had cut a hole in a bucket of paint.

how hard are those to get started in the bore?

I should have Stated that, The bullets above were .451.5-.452, My bore is .451, They loaded a little to Easy for a Hunting Bullet, I wouldn’t have Trusted these to Stay put on the Powder. If they had been Cast of 1-40 Alloy they Would hold Fine, Pure lead “Gives up” easy when pushed Down a Muzzleloader Bore.

The Wound Channels that these BIG Muzzleloader Bullets leave is DEVASTATING to Say the Least! I filled a Doe Tag a Few years ago with 1 of my .50 Cals, using 1 of my Custom WIDE Meplat Paper Patched Bullets. I hit the Deer perfect Behind the Shoulder, She Jumped/Mule Kicked, and ran above the Old Logging Grade for 20 Yards or So and Tipped over. There was a Rather Large CHUNK of Lung laying in the Old Grade, The Bloodtrail was SO INTENSE that i walked around it to keep from getting it on my Pant legs :) These BIG Slow Moving Bullets are DEVASTATING on Game, They take the Forward Motion Out of the Equation!!
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Center Punched Through the Lungs
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Idaholewis

Active Member
There is one stuffed in my front loader six inches in front of me as I read this sitting on stand!!

Great bullet

Mine is in a harvester sabot on top of 90g plyodex select it shoots clovers @ 50 yards.

CW

Good luck!! Hope you get one!! You have an AWESOME Bullet to Launch, that’s a FACT! One of my VERY FAVORITES! That say’s a Bunch coming from a Guy with a Pile of .45 Cal Muzzleloader Bullets
 

Brad

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Staff member
Pure lead upsets so well and sticks together. My 457122 HP fired into the berm were larger than a quarter and hardly lost any weight. No way they were coming apart on a deer.
 

Maven

Well-Known Member
Never thought about using that CB in a frontstuffer. (Oh, wait, I don't even have a .45cal ML rifle!) However, it is very accurate in my Marlin #336 .45-70 even with Microgroove rifling.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
Just last weekend, I scored a bottle of Black Horn 209!!

I was pretty a dime too. OT TO PAY 50+$ on a 10oz bottle... found this one for less than 40$!!

now to try it!!

CW
 

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At large, whereabouts unknown.
Until Idaholewis dropped in I never saw the appeal of a 45 cal muzzleloader. Now I see what they're good for, and very good indeed!
 

Idaholewis

Active Member
That was a costly light show

It just didn’t work for my Style of Shooting CW, That doesn’t mean it won’t for you. They had it on a Close Out here at our North 40 Outfitters a Few years back for 20 Bucks a Bottle, They Couldn’t hardly give this Stuff away here. I am THANKFUL I only bought 1 Can of it. BH209 isn’t Legal here in Idaho on Muzzleloader ONLY Hunts, Therefore it’s just not Popular here.

I am a Swiss REAL REAL BLACKPOWDER Guy, it ignites with the TINIEST of Spark! I’ve always said you don’t want to Think to Hard Around it or it will go off :)

When I bought the 1 bottle of this BH209 I didn’t understand it’s Requirements? I had never Shot it Before, or even Read up on it? I figured a HOT Fed 209A, or a Regular Winchester 209 Shotgun Primer would make it go off NO Matter what? NOPE!! I watched 2 of my Bullets Barely exit the Bore, about 10-12 Yards Maybe? And Roll Down the Rd in Front of me, Needless to say, That wasn’t much of a Confidence Booster :rofl: Looking Back, Knowing what i do now, i had 2 things going against me, Loose Fitting Bullets, and 1/8” Wool Felt Over Powder Wads.

I shoot “Land Rider” Bullets almost Exclusively in my Muzzleloaders for TARGET/BENCH Rest Shooting, Which is 99% of what i do with my Muzzleloaders. My Bullets just “Kiss” the Bore on the Way down, The Weight of my Ramrod Alone will push my Bullet Down. I was taught this Method of Loading TARGET Bullets by 2 World Champion BPCR, And Muzzleloader Shooters, Lee Shaver’s 2 Time World Champ, and Dave Gullo (Current, and I believe 3 Time World Champ now) This goes for Pure Lead, and up to 1:16 Alloy, The Most Common Being 1:20, Anything in this Hardness will “BUMP UP” in a Muzzleloader. Velocity in the 1300-1400 FPS Range, Bullets averaging 500-550 Grains

Blackhorn 209 Powder REQUIRES the CORRECT BH209 Approved Breech Plug, And Solid Compression, a Tight Fitting Bullet Pushed SOLID on the Powder Charge! BH209 will FTF, Hangfire, it will even Start to Ignite, and Stop. You ABSOLUTELY have to meet it’s Requirements in order for it to Work Properly, if you DON’T Cross all your T’s and Dot your I’s Failure awaits!

BH209 is a Favorite by MANY inline Shooters, it wins championship inline Shoots at Friendship, Etc. As long as you understand it’s Requirements, and Follow them to a T, I am sure it will Work fine for you. I could have made it Work, But i wasn’t ABOUT to Change my WELL Proven Stuff just to Make BH209 Ignite. It was easier to Pour it in a nice Straight line and Hold a Lighter to it :)
 

Will

Well-Known Member
BH209 works great in a lot of situations. I just hate the hard carbon ring it leaves. It makes getting the bullet consistently on the powder charge tough even when swabbing between shots.
 

Idaholewis

Active Member
BH209 was actually designed around tight fitting Sabot Loads, Western Powders stil doesn’t have Conical Bullets Recommended on their WebSite, Their Website stil Shows where they do NOT Recommend the use of Conicals.

Me coming from a Background of Swiss Real Blackpowder, BH209 was some SERIOUSLY FINICKY Stuff!! It’s Requirements MUST be met, or it will FAIL. They make Specific BH209 approved Breech Plugs for most Modern inlines of Today. You can Easily find BH209 Hangfire, Fail to Fire, Start and Stop Ignition Etc. Threads Across EVERY Muzzleloader Forum on the Web. Is it the Powders Fault? NO, It has SPECIAL Requirements that MUST be Met. The 2 Main things are Compression on the Powder, and a BH209 Approved Breech Plug.

I personally am not a Fan of the Co. (Western Powders) They Make an OUTLANDISH Claim that Loose Fitting bullets in Muzzleloading are inaccurate? I actually emailed them over this, They Claim a Tight Fitting Bullet is where Best Accuracy is at. They should Contact WORLD Champion 1,000 Yard BPCR, Muzzleloader Shooters and Tell them they have been Doing it WRONG all of these Years :)

This Same Co. Will also sell you a Bottle of “Accuracy Oil” To go with your BH209 :rofl: It is Called “Montana Extreme Bore Conditioner” “The Accuracy Oil” Pull up the Msds Sheet on it, it’s White Mineral Oil :) They Can keep Both! It is Clear by my Muzzleloading Results that i am NOT missing anything By not using their BH209
 
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Islanderflyer

New Member
Idaholewis, how did the boolit perform on the doe? Did it open up well? What was the distance she was shot at? These 45 caliber muzzleloaders really look like fun.
 

Idaholewis

Active Member
Idaholewis, how did the boolit perform on the doe? Did it open up well? What was the distance she was shot at? These 45 caliber muzzleloaders really look like fun.

That was actually my Old .50 Cal 1:28 Twist Stainless Barrel (i sold it) These Muzzleloader Bullets Go through Deer like they are Not even there, They Go through Broadside Elk like Butter as Well, unless Heavy Bone such as a Front Shoulder is Hit.

The fast Twist 45s are WHERE IT’S AT!! I shoot Bullets from 188 Grains to 550 Grains. The .45s TOTALLY Dominate 1,000 Yard Competition. The problem here in Idaho with the .45s is Not Being Legal to Hunt Elk With, RIDICULOUS Law, But it’s in Place for Patched Roundball, A .45 Cal Patched Roundball only weighs 128 Grains, NO Doubt there would be Some Elk walking Around 128 Grains Heavier. A .45 Patched Roundball is NOT A GOOD idea on Elk. They could Easily make a Projectile Weight Restriction and That would End Roundbal, But it’s Easier for them to Stick with .50 Cal Minimum