Lyman Mold # 452424

[Kevin Stenberg]

Does anyone have a mold of this type. OS OK posted a picture of it on CB. An I think it would do nicely in my Bushmaster. If i could get a few to try it would be appreciated. Kevin
I did PM OS OK to see what he has.

 

[Brad]

I have one. Sadly it casts too small for my new 45 Colt revolver.

How many do you want?

 

[Kevin Stenberg]

Brad It doesn't matter if they are as cast or already sized. What ever you send would be appreciated. Anything above 50 would give me a good test of the bullet. Any alloy would be fine.

 

[Brad]

I have some cast up now from an NOE 454424 clone. They cast about .455.
PM me an address and I can send 100 or so unsized.

 

[fiver]

the NOE one is probably a good choice.
I have had 2 of the lymans and they were about as different as the 358477's are.
the nose length shape was the part that was different.
I kept the shorter one and still have to seat it to look like a 45 acp SWC type bullet [454460] so it feeds through my lever rifles.
the same lever rifles that will feed at least .20 over saami length just hitch up on the 424 otherwise.

 

[RBHarter]

454424 NOE on the left Lyman 454424 round lube groove on the right


The NOE runs fine in a 92' but neither shot well in a Smith 1917 but very well in a Colt .
I have only the NOE now the Lyman is gone .

 

[Walks]

The one on the left almost looks like a #452423.

When Lyman changed the #454424 to #452424 they lengthened the nose to make up the weight difference.
Either way I prefer the #452423 for the .45Colt and the .45Auto Rim.
I've got a #454190 if I need more diameter.

I've got a #358477 in both 2cav & 4cav. I can't tell the difference between bullets cast from either mold. And I bought them 5-6years apart.

 

[fiver]

the 477's wandered around quite a bit.
I have 2 different examples and have seen a third one in person.
even for their differences I can load mine without changing anything, but I can sure tell the old one from the new one in the size die.

 

[Kevin Stenberg]

Does anyone know what the NOE weighs compared to the lyman?

 

[RBHarter]

The pictured examples are 250 flat and 252 . NOE to Lyman with my alloy from jacketed cores and WW 50/50 .

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

My fav book it!! The 454424!

Mine is a single cav. I also have a single and a 4 gang 452424 but they just ain’t the same.

CW

 

[RBHarter]

The round groove was a single ...... Singles are so much work to me . The NOE is a 5 hole and makes 55 pours for 250 keepers instead 50 . It's not that I don't enjoy casting , it's just more enjoyable when it's more productive .

 

[Walks]

Kevin,
Both Lyman & N.O.E. list the weight as 255grs.
Lyman uses #2 alloy
N.O.E uses COWW

 

[RBHarter]

I grabbed 12 out of the jug and weighed . 9 were 247-248.6 , 2@255.0 1 @249.0 . Alloy is 50/50 WW-jacketed cores that pencil at 12 bhn air-cooled in ingots . It's tin rich and pulls copper I believe . The NOE 5 C has 2 typically light cavities and 3 consistent . I may have weighed a bunch out but I don't recall having done so . It's been most of 2 yr since I cast any ........

 

[Kevin Stenberg]

I was watching a 452423 (432) on Ebay today. I got buisy and missed out on the final bids. I wouldn't have bin interested in paying the 60+ $ it went for.

 

[Walks]

I have a N.O.E. 5cav Version of the #452423, it drops perfect bullets, squarish lube grooves. Weigh 237grs from my alloy of 50/50 #2/COWW. Shoot it in .45AR & .45Colt for paper punching.
Why is the type on this post bigger ?

 

[Walks]

I've never sorted by cavity, that's way too much work for me. Would destroy any kind of casting Rythem. And since I water drop, impossible.

With My deteriorating eyesight, arthritis and busted back,knees, shoulders and neck.
It's a waste of time. I go for good looking bullets and let it go at that.

 

[John]

A long time ago, on a long gone forum, I saw a picture of thirteen different molds labelled 454424. I had two that matched each other at the time and a third that was close. I don't know if you blame the cherry makers, or the Lyman buyers that were ok with close specifications but these bullets differed greatly in nose length, band width, spacing, and lube groove angles. Even in the "old days" at Lyman, close enough was good enough.
The same poster had more examples of the 429421 that were again all over the map. "Ya pays your money and ya takes your chances" as was known to all of us who ever got in on a Lee group buy.

 

[Walks]

This is why bullets cast from My Dad's #454424 4cav mold (from early 1960's) could be loaded into a max length .45Colt case and fit into a Colt SAA or Clone without any length problems.
And the #452424 2cav that I bought in 1974/5 was too long in a minimum trim to length .45Colt case.

Wouldn't fit in Colt SAA or Clone, but was Ok in Ruger Blackhawk or S&W 25-5.

Why I switched to the #452423 for .45Colt and .45AR. Dropped 240grs from a Lyman 2cav when cast from My preferred alloy of COWW/#2.
My new N.O.E. #453-247-SWC 5cav drops at 237grs.
And they are Beautiful.

 

[CZ93X62]

Lyman bullet styling elements "Wandering around". Nicely put. Stealing for further use and enjoyment.

Two editions of 454/452-424 at my house, as different as can be but within 1-2 grains of each other weight-wise (about 252 or so). In my 45 Colts, loaded in same brass/primers/powder weights the two styles are indistinguishable in grouping & patterning. Dunno if that is testimony to my skill set (that I can't shoot well enough to tell the difference....) or what, but that was the verdict in the Bishawk and the Uberti. I have stopped using the 1-cavity Ideal tool, and use the 2-banger Lyman marked as "452424". In 92/6/2 they fall out at a fat .454", and clean up in a .454" H&I die. These were a bit more work to run through a .452" die, but there is still PLENTY of lube and crimp groove left. These were the editions run through the PC 625 the other day, and they rang the dinger plate with some authority, even at or under 800 FPS. Size matters, as does weight. 5/8 oz of metal almost 1/2" diameter at 2.67 football fields per second will spoil yer afternoon right proper.

#454424 is still a short, squatty-looking thing.