Marlin 1895 in 33CF
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I had Cartridges of the World (COTW) at hand and looked under obsolete American cartridges.
The 33 WCF shows up, but not the Marlin 33 CF, and no mention of it in the blurb on the 33 WCF.
I'd want to verify, but between Marlin and other companies at the time, one would chamber their rifles for another company's cartridge, but refuse to use the other company's name in the cartridge designation OR simply tack their name onto it. THIS is what I'd hoped to find in COTW, but it wasn't there.
It does say that 33 WCF can be formed from 45-70 brass, so IF the Marlin 33CF is the same as the Winchester 33 WCF, brass should not be an issue.
Didn't see it here either:
www.ammoandguncollector.com
Not much help, but I'd look at ll the 33 WCF information availabale and see if someone mentions that Marlin chambered rifles for it, but called it something else.
The 33 WCF shows up, but not the Marlin 33 CF, and no mention of it in the blurb on the 33 WCF.
I'd want to verify, but between Marlin and other companies at the time, one would chamber their rifles for another company's cartridge, but refuse to use the other company's name in the cartridge designation OR simply tack their name onto it. THIS is what I'd hoped to find in COTW, but it wasn't there.
It does say that 33 WCF can be formed from 45-70 brass, so IF the Marlin 33CF is the same as the Winchester 33 WCF, brass should not be an issue.
Didn't see it here either:
Complete List of All Centerfire Rifle Ammo Cartridges / Calibers Ever Produced
Vintage And Antique Guns, Ammo, Knives And Other Collectable Outdoor And Historical Items.
Not much help, but I'd look at ll the 33 WCF information availabale and see if someone mentions that Marlin chambered rifles for it, but called it something else.
CWLONGSHOT
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Marlin and Winchester where NOT fond of each other and for a time, Marlin refused to mark any if there guns with a Winchester chamber designation. So we have a bit of confusion with two names for same calibers.
CW
CW
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In our 2003 copy of the Standard Catalog on p. 699 it states the 1895 was chambered in the 33 Winchester.
And yes Marlin had no kindness at all towards Winchester.
And yes Marlin had no kindness at all towards Winchester.
Dusty Bannister
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From gun values.com
Model 1895 Lever-Action Rifle
A large rifle designed to fire larger hunting cartridges. Chambered for .33 W.C.F., .38-56, .40-65, .40-70, .40-83, .45-70 and .45-90. Came standard with: round or octagonal barrels from 26" to 32" in length; bull-length magazine tube; buckhorn rear and blade front sights. Finish is case colored receiver, lever and hammer. Rest is blued. Varnished walnut stock. Barrel markings are same as Model 1894. Top tang marked "Model 1895". After 1896 "Special Smokeless Steel" was stamped on barrel. There were many options available and they have a big effect on value. Approximately 18,000 manufactured between 1895 and 1917.
Model 1895 Lever-Action Rifle
A large rifle designed to fire larger hunting cartridges. Chambered for .33 W.C.F., .38-56, .40-65, .40-70, .40-83, .45-70 and .45-90. Came standard with: round or octagonal barrels from 26" to 32" in length; bull-length magazine tube; buckhorn rear and blade front sights. Finish is case colored receiver, lever and hammer. Rest is blued. Varnished walnut stock. Barrel markings are same as Model 1894. Top tang marked "Model 1895". After 1896 "Special Smokeless Steel" was stamped on barrel. There were many options available and they have a big effect on value. Approximately 18,000 manufactured between 1895 and 1917.
Bret4207
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If you find an actual Marlin 1895 in 33WCF, that's a rare piece. The 33 can be formed from 45-70 as was mentioned, quite the deer/bear whacker in it's day.
On Marlin and Winchester- I've seen Marlins that were marked for the proprietary Marlin version of a Winchester cartridge- 25/36 Marlin instead of 25/35 Win, 32 Marlin Hi Speed (I think, might have been Hi Power) instead of 32 Win Special, etc. I think Marlin had a 30-30 version too, but the name escapes me.
Same thing with Colt and Smith- 32 S+W Long was the same as the 32 Colt New Police except for bullet nose shape.
On Marlin and Winchester- I've seen Marlins that were marked for the proprietary Marlin version of a Winchester cartridge- 25/36 Marlin instead of 25/35 Win, 32 Marlin Hi Speed (I think, might have been Hi Power) instead of 32 Win Special, etc. I think Marlin had a 30-30 version too, but the name escapes me.
Same thing with Colt and Smith- 32 S+W Long was the same as the 32 Colt New Police except for bullet nose shape.
33WCF is an easy forming job, just lube 45-70 cases and run them into the sizing die. Depending on your brass you might want to do it in a couple stages--one to do the bulk of your forming and one to finish setting the shoulder. When I did it, I could usually do 100 w/o case loss but Starline brass (currently, the most common new 45-70 brass) did take a 2-stage setup.
Don't waste your time with Lyman's GC mould, checks are a bit "iffy" on fit. Find your checks then find a mould to fit.
Great cast bullet cartridge for wild hogs, does ok on alligator too. And jackrabbits. Never tried it on anything else.
Don't waste your time with Lyman's GC mould, checks are a bit "iffy" on fit. Find your checks then find a mould to fit.
Great cast bullet cartridge for wild hogs, does ok on alligator too. And jackrabbits. Never tried it on anything else.
L Ross
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Rocky, I have a Winchester 1886 in .33 w.c.f. I make perfect brass from Starline .40-65 brass. I do anneal them first, but after annealing a single pass in my RCBS full length sizing die creates perfect casings.