Mosin Nagants
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Spindrift
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The bolt face of the x54 is rather large, limiting options. If I am not mistaken, it is a controlled feed rifle, so opening the bolt face to, say 45/70, would probably give feeding issues. Rebarreling to the same caliber seems the most sensible solution; .308x54r if your mould selection is better. Unless selling the rifles is an option, there are plenty of good rifles out there!
Maven
Well-Known Member
Swedish? Mine were Finnish (Sako-made Civil Guard rifles: 2 M 28/30's and 1 M 39).
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
You are pretty limited to something based on the 30/40 Krag or .303 British or 7.62 X 54 cases. The easiest to send one to JES for a rebore in 8MM, .338 or .358. Most issues barrels are too thin to go much bigger, IMHO. I saw a nice re-barreled rifle made in the 1930's with a 40/70 Sharps Straight with the magazine reduced to only hold two rounds.
Ian
Notorious member
Could rebarrel and rechamber in....7.62x54R. Absolutely nothing wrong with that little cartridge except for sloppy military tolerances and a hard life after being produced by the gillions in wartime with no money. Only thing is you'd still have a cheap war axe with poor sights, and good barrel. Having a custom, high-quality blank machined to match the contours of the original and all the ramp work done would be very expensive.
fiver
Well-Known Member
or the 53R that the finn's used.
their rifles shoot better than the others because they shortened and tightened all of the tolerances up, then standardized the ammo.
I'm kind of weird so I'd probably do a full bubba job, add a scope and trigger.
then neck the case down to 7mm.
order a reamer and move on with a one-off square case 30* shoulder anomaly that runs a 140gr bullet at like 3-K fps.
their rifles shoot better than the others because they shortened and tightened all of the tolerances up, then standardized the ammo.
I'm kind of weird so I'd probably do a full bubba job, add a scope and trigger.
then neck the case down to 7mm.
order a reamer and move on with a one-off square case 30* shoulder anomaly that runs a 140gr bullet at like 3-K fps.
rodmkr
Temecula California
OK.
Wrong country , right rifle.
Was thinking about a 30 cal barrel using the 7.62x54 R case similar to the Finish rifles.
Was considering ER Shaw barrels (have a call into them now),Not the greatest but good enough for a
couple of beat up old parts rifles.
Was going to use the Crazy Ivan scope mounts.
Still need to find a competent gunsmith locally
Wrong country , right rifle.
Was thinking about a 30 cal barrel using the 7.62x54 R case similar to the Finish rifles.
Was considering ER Shaw barrels (have a call into them now),Not the greatest but good enough for a
couple of beat up old parts rifles.
Was going to use the Crazy Ivan scope mounts.
Still need to find a competent gunsmith locally
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Maven
Well-Known Member
"Was considering ER Shaw barrels (have a call into them now),Not the greatest but good enough for a
couple of beat up old parts rifles."
Rod, why invest in "a couple of beat up...rifles" before trying them "as is," and after a thorough bbl. cleaning of course? Also, would you consider looking for a "new" Civil Guard (i.e., little used) M 28/30 or M 39 Finnish Nagant: Very accurate CB shooters;(Sako, Tikka, Valmet) + their front sights are easily adjusted for windage. The CB of choice is either Lyman #314299 or the NOE #316299 if the bore is "generous."
couple of beat up old parts rifles."
Rod, why invest in "a couple of beat up...rifles" before trying them "as is," and after a thorough bbl. cleaning of course? Also, would you consider looking for a "new" Civil Guard (i.e., little used) M 28/30 or M 39 Finnish Nagant: Very accurate CB shooters;(Sako, Tikka, Valmet) + their front sights are easily adjusted for windage. The CB of choice is either Lyman #314299 or the NOE #316299 if the bore is "generous."
rodmkr
Temecula California
Maven, Have been working with these rifles for 4 years.
Electronic bore cleaning,
New parts,
5 different cast bullets none of which would give better than 6 inches at 100 yards.
So now it is either break them down and sell the parts or fix them right.
Going to try the fix them right first if barrels and gunsmith can be found.
If not break them up and sell the parts for whatever I can get.
Hate to do it but health not getting any better and am simply
tired of fooling with them and have a number of other rifles I can play with.
rodmkr
Electronic bore cleaning,
New parts,
5 different cast bullets none of which would give better than 6 inches at 100 yards.
So now it is either break them down and sell the parts or fix them right.
Going to try the fix them right first if barrels and gunsmith can be found.
If not break them up and sell the parts for whatever I can get.
Hate to do it but health not getting any better and am simply
tired of fooling with them and have a number of other rifles I can play with.
rodmkr
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Some times they just don't like cast. Myself, I've always wanted a Finn MN since back in when they first started getting rave reviews. I've never so much as seen one, much less made an offer on one. I think someone on The Board Which Shall Not Be Named offered me one, Jumptrap maybe, but I was broke or something and never followed up. I'd consider going that route if a MN is your cup of tea. Gonna be way less moola than a barrel no matter what.
Maven
Well-Known Member
Bret, Jumptrap (Mark Harris) tried to blow one up with large charges of a fast burning powder (Bullseye?) and couldn't. (He got few responses for all his efforts though.) Btw, I sold my M 28/30 on that site years ago to Wrench: Haven't heard much from her since then, but it was a m.o.a. CB shooter "as issued."
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I remember that! He deserved a lot more credit than he got for sure. He put a lot of internet rumor to bed! I used to see Jump on a tractor board. Haven't seen hide nor hair of him in several years. Good guy once you got past the prickly exterior.