New Rifle Day
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Petrol & Powder
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As much as I love the short actions (it's a personal obsession) I just can't seem to get on the 6.5 CM bandwagon.
I have great respect for the 7mm-08 and the 243 Win is well proven. The 6.5 CM sits right between those excellent cartridges but I just can't help but think there's isn't that big of a spread between the short action 6mm and short action 7mm cartridges.
And like CZ93X62, I see the old 6.5 Swede as the predecessor and the cartridge (albeit not a short action) that fills that gap.
To me, and this is just the musings of an old reloader, the 6.5 CM is more of a 243 with a better selection of slightly heavier bullets.
I have great respect for the 7mm-08 and the 243 Win is well proven. The 6.5 CM sits right between those excellent cartridges but I just can't help but think there's isn't that big of a spread between the short action 6mm and short action 7mm cartridges.
And like CZ93X62, I see the old 6.5 Swede as the predecessor and the cartridge (albeit not a short action) that fills that gap.
To me, and this is just the musings of an old reloader, the 6.5 CM is more of a 243 with a better selection of slightly heavier bullets.
RBHarter
West Central AR
Just gas on the fire .......
The diminutive 6.5 Arisaka only clocks in 200 fps behind the CM and is just 120 yr older ......... Pity it had to be in a 308 length action and wouldn't fit in the much shorter more compact 300 Savage lengths like the CM ......(some sarcasm)
The CM is basically a 250/3000 AI necked up to .264 with a 62,000 psi rating . EOINA (everything old is new again).
The diminutive 6.5 Arisaka only clocks in 200 fps behind the CM and is just 120 yr older ......... Pity it had to be in a 308 length action and wouldn't fit in the much shorter more compact 300 Savage lengths like the CM ......(some sarcasm)
The CM is basically a 250/3000 AI necked up to .264 with a 62,000 psi rating . EOINA (everything old is new again).
L Ross
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What ever happened to the .260 Remington? If only the timing had been right I probably would have been very happy to own a Remington Mountain rifle in .260 for the rest of my hunting days. The only thing sweeter would be a slender, sexy, full stock Mauser in the .260. Topped with a Leupold M-8 4X scope. I'm giving myself the vapors.
Joshua
Taco Aficionado/Salish Sea Pirate/Part-Time Dragon
I now have two 30 cal, and two 31 cal rifles. I really want to diversify. I’d like a 35 something, and also a .25/6.5mm/.260/7mm something.
Our local auction house has gone to online sporting goods auctions. They had a Ruger M77 in 7x57, with a Leupold on top. I wanted to buy it real bad.
I talked myself out of it. I never mentioned it here because I’m pretty sure that the co-dependent nature of this forum would have encouraged the purchase.
I spent all my taco money on lead/shot/wads/and presses last month. I need to save up my taco money for purchases like that. In my mind buying toys on credit is akin to gambling. I try not to do either.
Josh
Our local auction house has gone to online sporting goods auctions. They had a Ruger M77 in 7x57, with a Leupold on top. I wanted to buy it real bad.
I talked myself out of it. I never mentioned it here because I’m pretty sure that the co-dependent nature of this forum would have encouraged the purchase.
I spent all my taco money on lead/shot/wads/and presses last month. I need to save up my taco money for purchases like that. In my mind buying toys on credit is akin to gambling. I try not to do either.
Josh
L Ross
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Like "See Spot run?"
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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Yep, I would've been an enabler.
Spindrift
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I’ve never owned a .260 rem, but I actually kind of like the concept. Since you can easily form brass from .308-cases, you’ll never have any issues getting brass. For me, it translates into free-brass-forever. The unnecessary limitation is the throat, which necessitates deep seating of the heavier bullets. Which, again, steals powder capacity when using the long, slender 6,5-bullets which are hallmark of the 6,5.
L Ross
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C'mon, I want the long version, pretty please?
My fantasy of the 6.5x08 was that it should kick butt over the .243 which I have always been suspicious of when it comes to deer hunting. About the time it starts to kill well you get a bunch of jellied venison hematoma to go with your burger. Once Wisconsin pulled it's bureaucratic cranium out of it regulatory rectum and allowed rifles for deer Statewide, Daddies started buying their kids .243's. The .250-3000 and the .257 Roberts are deader'n mackerels. Gun writers in the megamagazines have convinced most shooters that rifles must be short actions as only a dinosaur would use a .30-06 length cartridge unless it resembles a Freudian cigar and has the H&H belt on it's posterior.
Then Wisconsin went full goose silly and started special "youth hunts" that in effect make it illegal for me to hunt squirrels on my own land on one of the best weekends in October unless I wear blaze orange. Then in a frenzy of deregulation, we now allow children of any age to hunt with an adult. So now Daddies are acting like beauty pageant Mommies and are dragging their 6 year olds out into the woods. Of course the target must be a 150 or bigger buck, all the better to post on Face Book.
Some guys would ask me what rifle they should get for their kids and I'd tell 'em a twenny two and take 'em squirrel and bunny hunting. "Oh I aint got time for that but we wanna go deer hunting. So I'd recommend a 7mm-08 and either reduced recoil loads or handload 120' or 130's in the 7 to about 2,300 fps. I would get the googley eye roll and they'd trot off to Bubba's Gun Emporium and buy a .243 with a munchkin stock and off they'd go with Boone and Crockett on speed dial on their smart phones right next to the video game for Jr. to play with in the heated blind when they got bored after half an hour.
My thought on the .260 was that it would make a light weight sporter with mild recoil, and using 120 to 140 grain bullets at modest velocity. Thus making a sterling deer rifle out to 250 yards which in my highly opinionated view is as far as any sensible person should be plinking at live critters unless they are shooting at you!
See Fiver, the long version aint difficult at all. Just let the pique out a tad and roll with it. Next we can talk about why Ruger thought a Mannlicher stocked rifle should have an 18" barrel instead of a much more beautiful 20" barrel.
Spindrift
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Should work perfectly!
Glaciers
Alaska Land of the Midnight Sun
Nice rant there L Ross!! I must agree with your direct rambling.
I have been on the lookout for a Winchester Featherweight in 243 (and 6.5 Swede, plus the 7x57) for a long time. 243's don't grow on trees in this part of the country. Our squirrels are small here and a 22 works better. Other than that a 243 is considered worthless up here. Although a native friend takes a moose every year with his. But truth be told he hunts with a big family. Might have some backup from time to time.
But I always wanted a 6.5 swede or the 260, but, swing and miss. So I had a couple of well worn Remington 660's around, one a 308 and the other was a 6mm. The 308 in a 20" tube is ok, but, the 6mm, well it needs more barrel. So I rebarreled it to 260 Rem with a decent 1 in 8 twist and 24" tube. 22 inches is minimum for the 6mm or the 260 in my opinion, 24 is even better. Yeah the 660 is a short action, but it's what I had, and I did not need a short barreled 6mm.
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fiver
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yep the 260 got jacked over when they forgot about case volume.
[oh and Remington once again screwing a good cartridge over with a ridiculous twist rate]
the creedmore just used the long bullet and worked backwards pushing the case down to the case volume the 260 has leftover anyway.
the creedmore is actually a very nicely done little package that fits in the action length it should fit in.
by doing so it matches the other case sizes in velocity with the same bullets and uses a case full of powder which helps it out too.
I have actually looked the 6.5 PRC over pretty hard and almost bought one, the ballistics are right where I think they should be in that they match the average 7 mauser for speed and bullet weight [recoil too] only with that long 140gr. cruise missile of a bullet you gain some advantages in penetration and level flight.
[oh and Remington once again screwing a good cartridge over with a ridiculous twist rate]
the creedmore just used the long bullet and worked backwards pushing the case down to the case volume the 260 has leftover anyway.
the creedmore is actually a very nicely done little package that fits in the action length it should fit in.
by doing so it matches the other case sizes in velocity with the same bullets and uses a case full of powder which helps it out too.
I have actually looked the 6.5 PRC over pretty hard and almost bought one, the ballistics are right where I think they should be in that they match the average 7 mauser for speed and bullet weight [recoil too] only with that long 140gr. cruise missile of a bullet you gain some advantages in penetration and level flight.
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