So, Ben, just how many thinned skinned 2 legged creatures do you have under your belt?
None, and it will be fine if I can keep it that way.
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None, and it will be fine if I can keep it that way.
Watch the news, all isn't good right now............................
A push through sizer sizing nose first with a flat punch only a few thousands smaller than die diameter works wonders for sizing bullets concentrically. Concentric bullets ARE more accurate, may not make a huge difference at muzzle thumping distances but as range increases the difference between concentric bullets and those sized off center becomes very apparent.
Pistolero
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Depends ENTIRELY on what you may have a 'social encounter' with! After you have had
a lesson in manners administered by a 600 lb Toklat griz, that "boat anchor' still seems
a bit on the small size. I had one do a false charge - which you verify AFTERWARDS -
moving from 100 yds to 50 yds so fast you literally cannot grasp that he is moving that
fast. Going from wonder at observing this beautiful creature to pure, raw panic in one
millisecond is...... memorable. I'll see if I can locate a pic I took of this guy a couple
minutes before he got sick of us and decided to 'explain' to us that we should leave.
We left.
Rereading that, panic is the wrong word. Panic implies inability to function. More
like extreme fear, but we were still able to INSTANTLY jump to the nearby car and get in,
FAST. If the car hadn't been there, and it had been recently, the gun would have
been coming out, and my wife would have been going for the large bear spray.
Believe that they are blindingly fast, not easy to grasp until you see it.
Bill
a lesson in manners administered by a 600 lb Toklat griz, that "boat anchor' still seems
a bit on the small size. I had one do a false charge - which you verify AFTERWARDS -
moving from 100 yds to 50 yds so fast you literally cannot grasp that he is moving that
fast. Going from wonder at observing this beautiful creature to pure, raw panic in one
millisecond is...... memorable. I'll see if I can locate a pic I took of this guy a couple
minutes before he got sick of us and decided to 'explain' to us that we should leave.
We left.
Rereading that, panic is the wrong word. Panic implies inability to function. More
like extreme fear, but we were still able to INSTANTLY jump to the nearby car and get in,
FAST. If the car hadn't been there, and it had been recently, the gun would have
been coming out, and my wife would have been going for the large bear spray.
Believe that they are blindingly fast, not easy to grasp until you see it.
Bill
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Pistolero
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Boat anchor also implies useless. Many great bears have been stopped with .44s with well
placed shots, the .454 should be as good or better. Not a good choice for walking around
in most of the lower 48, but a bow hunter was seriously hurt near Yellowstone yesterday by
a griz. Had a .44 and fired it, but reports are that he likely missed.
placed shots, the .454 should be as good or better. Not a good choice for walking around
in most of the lower 48, but a bow hunter was seriously hurt near Yellowstone yesterday by
a griz. Had a .44 and fired it, but reports are that he likely missed.
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My Redhawk (5.5", 44 Mag) got some use for bear protection in Summer 2002. Marie and I were picking blackberries near Clark's Grade in the San Bernardino NF when we began smelling the presence of a black bear near at hand that had been dining on said berries recently. Noisome......we never did see him in the dense brush surrounding that berry patch, but his odor was unmistakeable and that CHUFF CHUFF CHUFF vocalization no more than 25-30 feet away sealed the deal......TIME TO BAIL. I covered Marie's retreat to the truck before moving, standing between her and the truck......she got in, and I slowly backed toward the truck, watching the spot I thought he was the whole time. No charge, the bear never emerged, but he still got the bulge on us but good. Now, a blackie isn't one of those shag-nasty griz or polar customers known to dine upon us more frequently, but this guy provided enough of that preternatural low-brain instinctive subliminal fear of the type instilled by dire wolves, short-faced bears, saber-toothed cats, and all that other Ice Age megafauna from millenia past to satisfy my taste for same completely. And on that note.....the Redhawk's weight at the time was nary a concern. No, a longer, heavier, and larger-caliber counter-measure would have seemed entirely appropriate, and a belt-fed option would not have gilded the lily much either. Within the month, I added the CZ-550 in 9.3 x 62 as our Official Berry Patch Rifle. I like that 5-round mag packing shots with twice the muzzle energy each of the 30-06/180 grain loading. (250 grain Nosler CT @ 2650 FPS.......IMR 4320 is your friend, as is WW-760).
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Winelover
North Central Arkansas
I don't know how many grizzly bears are running around in Alabama......but I know there are none in Arkansas. More likely, to run into a meth-head in rural America......and a twenty ounce pocket pistol will suffice. If I were to roam in Western bear country, my choice of armament would be a short barreled 12 gauge loaded with Brenneke slugs.
BTW..."boat anchor" implies that it is in deed useless because the sheer weight will more than likely be the reason you didn't tote it along. All I can say is "strap that puppy on and carry it from the time you get up till the time you go to bed". You'll change your mind, quickly.
BTW..."boat anchor" implies that it is in deed useless because the sheer weight will more than likely be the reason you didn't tote it along. All I can say is "strap that puppy on and carry it from the time you get up till the time you go to bed". You'll change your mind, quickly.
We're talking two totally completely different scenarios here. Walking around town all day has nothing what-so-ever in common with walking around out in the woods all day. Run into a black bear out in the woods much less a grizzly and you'll wish mightily that it was nothing but a meth head and you'll have an even stronger wish that you had something other than a snubby pop gun. You'll change your mind instantly about the usefulness of "boat anchors".