NOE , AL, 2 cav., 360432 WC
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I shot the IDEAL 368432 wadcutter bullet out of my Ruger # 1, 357 Maximum.
The wadcutter bullet was loaded in 357 Mag. brass , loaded with 3.5 grs. of B'Eye and the 358432 ( the 160 gr. version ) , sized to .358 ".
This load was shot at 40 yards. 5 shots ( I'm fairly certain the " low round " is me. ) Pretty easy to see why I wanted to buy the NOE mould.
The wadcutter bullet was loaded in 357 Mag. brass , loaded with 3.5 grs. of B'Eye and the 358432 ( the 160 gr. version ) , sized to .358 ".
This load was shot at 40 yards. 5 shots ( I'm fairly certain the " low round " is me. ) Pretty easy to see why I wanted to buy the NOE mould.
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CZ93X62
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It has been a LONG TIME since I warmed up my Lyman #358432. It was among the first moulds I bought in 1981, and came in the orange Lyman box with white box and hand-written mould number. Whatever than means. It has always cast nicely, and the bullets didn't fall on their aspirations past 60 yards like HBWCs tend to do. It also doesn't mind being pushed past 800 FPS, either--I have run it to 1200 FPS in 357 Magnum revolvers, and accuracy remains in place.
I have this mould's 32 caliber cousin, also--#313492. Its behavior in 32 SWL and 32 H&R Mag follows that of its 38 caliber look-alike.
I think these are the only wadcutter moulds that I own. I am a Keith/SWC acolyte of the first order, but I do have 1# coffee cans at least 1/2 full of both castings sitting in inventory (I only size and lube just prior to loading). They don't rot or spoil in storage.
I have this mould's 32 caliber cousin, also--#313492. Its behavior in 32 SWL and 32 H&R Mag follows that of its 38 caliber look-alike.
I think these are the only wadcutter moulds that I own. I am a Keith/SWC acolyte of the first order, but I do have 1# coffee cans at least 1/2 full of both castings sitting in inventory (I only size and lube just prior to loading). They don't rot or spoil in storage.
CZ93X62
Ahhh ? I see you are well aware of the capabilities of the 432' .
I once read of a detective, Jim Cirillo , in NY City that used this bullet in a 38 Spec. , 2" snub. He was in several shoot outs. He said that the bullet never let him down.
Ben
If you want to read more :
https://homeguntraining.wordpress.com/2013/06/17/jim-cirillo/
Ahhh ? I see you are well aware of the capabilities of the 432' .
I once read of a detective, Jim Cirillo , in NY City that used this bullet in a 38 Spec. , 2" snub. He was in several shoot outs. He said that the bullet never let him down.
Ben
If you want to read more :
https://homeguntraining.wordpress.com/2013/06/17/jim-cirillo/
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Yes, that was also my opinion.
Maybe someone will step up with more details on the age.
Thanks,
Ben
Brother_Love
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Here’s mine and I believe it is a newer version than Ben’s older version.
Wiresguy
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I can’t say how old your mold is, but I bought my first 358432 160gr mold from a small sporting goods store on the Oregon coast in 1972. It also was an Ideal and had been on his shelf for some time.
It sure shot well in the 38/44 Outdoorsman that was new to me at the time. Whether target loads or some warmer ones over 2400, it was accurate.
That Outdoorsman was in another shop and marked as a K-38 and priced at $85. It didn’t take me long to get my money out
I was in there a week or so later and the owner looked at me and said “you got a good buy on that Outdoorsman” with a wry smile. He and I got to be pretty good friends.
That was the same shop where I used to buy my reloading supplies. I forget how much a pound of 4064 was, but he would sell you a pound for a dollar from the keg he had in the basement if you were willing to take it in a paper sack or bring in your own empty can.
Oregon sure has changed a lot since then.
It sure shot well in the 38/44 Outdoorsman that was new to me at the time. Whether target loads or some warmer ones over 2400, it was accurate.
That Outdoorsman was in another shop and marked as a K-38 and priced at $85. It didn’t take me long to get my money out
I was in there a week or so later and the owner looked at me and said “you got a good buy on that Outdoorsman” with a wry smile. He and I got to be pretty good friends.That was the same shop where I used to buy my reloading supplies. I forget how much a pound of 4064 was, but he would sell you a pound for a dollar from the keg he had in the basement if you were willing to take it in a paper sack or bring in your own empty can.
Oregon sure has changed a lot since then.
CZ93X62
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In 92/6/2, my Lyman-marked #432 casts right on the nominal weight of 160 grains. I did cast some donor slugs in pure lead a while back, they dropped at 162 grains or thereabouts. That project (actually for the 45/70 & BBSPs) prompted me to keep the mould in the handles and refill the furnace with 92/6/2, which enabled the current inventory of that casting to exist. That was over 4 years ago, just before we moved from Ridgecrest.
CZ93X62
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This 'new edition' #358432 is very faithful to the original design (?) of my castings. The only difference readily apparent is that the button-nose form on my castings are a bit more angular rather than radiused.
Jim Cirillo is one of the founding fathers of modern pistolcraft, AFAIC.
Jim Cirillo is one of the founding fathers of modern pistolcraft, AFAIC.
Nice looking wadcutter. I swedged some 161 grain hollow base a few years ago for 38 special cases and also noticed they were much better at 50 yds than the 148 hb. I did compare to cast 150's and at 50 the 161hb was best followed by the 150 cast, so I would guess a cast 160ish might be better still. Still wishing I had a 38/357 with a faster twist than s&w and see what that bullet would do in a 1:10 twist.
Tony
Tony
