OK, Ben, You've Gotten Me Started!

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Something I've wanted to do for 45 years.

Always another great deal on a gun I might want, and then another and another, until I had too many to keep up with. As I've begun to get down to a manageable level, I've also unencumbered funds to start taking care of peripheral needs, like sights, scopes, slings, holsters and a portable reloading kit.

I got the press and an extra set of 357 dies, but will add 30/30 dies and what accoutrements might be necessary to load anytime, any place, anywhere.

This is "insurance," in case I HAVE to, but I plan on using it just for giggles anyway. I planned on adding a LEE, 2C 30 and 35 cal mould, but they're nearly forty bucks now! I figure I'll hang onto that eighty bucks and see about commissioning a 4C, with two different 30s and two different 35s and HP, cup-point and FN pins all 'round. I know it won't be $80, but the $80 will be a start.

@Ben , thanks for sharing what you've done with Trevor's kit and patiently answering my questions. I'm not sure if the whole "breech-lock" thing is necessary, but I'm going to give it a try. The adapters can add as much as $20 to a die set, so I will experiment with the 357 dies and decide whether I like the system before buying the 30/30 dies like that. I'll be adding collet crimp and bullet sizing dies of the recent sort for this too. Should be a total of nine or ten dies in the bag to handle both cartridges the way I prefer.

This is the first FUN thing I've done in a while.

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MW65

Wetside, Oregon
I've built a range kit along the same lines as Ben... brass is prepped to a ready to load stage. Powder is dispensed with lee dippers and an old debit card. Funnels, a flashlight, case holder, and cast/lubed boolits complete the kit... along with the hand press.

Great for experimenting and trying to find some fun plinking loads. Enjoy!!
 

Spindrift

Well-Known Member
I use my hand press all the time. I have the version with the breech lock also, and I like it a lot! I appreciate being able to do some reloading tasks in other places than my reloading room in the basement.
Set-up time is about two seconds. When you have to empty the spent primers, being able to remove the die with just a twist is highly practical.
The hand press, Lee collet dies and the breech lock-system is a very good combination!
 

Ian

Notorious member
The Breech Lock adapters themselves were $10 each last time a bought any, it's been a few years. IMO they're worth it because money comes and goes and I long ago absorbed the cost. If you have a few die lock nuts with grub screws installed you can put those on your hand press dies to keep your tool settings when changing them. This coming from the guy who has seven progressive presses and 28 loaded/adjusted turret press heads with dedicated shell holder set up in his loading room because he hates changing calibers that much.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
The Breech Lock adapters themselves were $10 each last time a bought any, it's been a few years. IMO they're worth it because money comes and goes and I long ago absorbed the cost. If you have a few die lock nuts with grub screws installed you can put those on your hand press dies to keep your tool settings when changing them. This coming from the guy who has seven progressive presses and 28 loaded/adjusted turret press heads with dedicated shell holder set up in his loading room because he hates changing calibers that much.
I fell for the turret idea using Tru-Line Jrs. as a kid. Then, when I got my own stuff, I started with a Lee three-hole turret and have stuck with it since. Switching out a whole, adjusted die set in seconds is handy. Once in a while, I will miss flaring a case mouth and notice as I try to seat a bullet. No sweat - rotate the turret 120 degrees, flare rotate back and seat.

I used a LEE Turret Press for a few years as my portable press, while in the Army.

The bushings are about $5 right now, at Midsouth, anyway. Still a significant cost increase over a regular set of dies. Seems extravagant for a minimalist, expedient kit, but makes sense at the same time.

I use my hand press all the time. I have the version with the breech lock also, and I like it a lot! I appreciate being able to do some reloading tasks in other places than my reloading room in the basement.
Set-up time is about two seconds. When you have to empty the spent primers, being able to remove the die with just a twist is highly practical.
The hand press, Lee collet dies and the breech lock-system is a very good combination!
I'm glad you mentioned the collet dies specifically, because I have been wondering. I do like those dies. They have worked great for me but so many complain that they don't work right that I've wondered if it's something about their press. Not handling lube or having to FLR while not in the shop are pluses, to me. Of course I'll have an FLR die in the kit, because you'll need one eventually.
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
I look at the Lee hand press and see the current version of the old Lyman 310 tool.
Yeah, it’s not “all in one” and it’s not as compact. But it has even greater flexibility and potential force. In many ways, it’s better than the old 310 tool.
I have given a great deal of thought to a portable kit utilizing a Lee hand press and the only reason I’ve held off is dedication of funds to other projects. I’ll do it someday because I do think it is a good idea, I just haven’t finished the other projects in line ahead of that one.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
I thought about this a long time and would have been willing to search out the 310 tooling and pay for it. I can get my hands on a good selection of dies.

I came to the same conclusion on the LEE. This doesn't have to fit in a backpack or saddlebag, and if it came to it, I could always ditch bits and pieces to lighten the load.

I'm pleased to see positive comments on the breech-lock feature, AND that the collet dies work well with it. I am excited to use this. I'm hoping over Christmas break that I can try it out. I will have to take it apart and clean all the machining oil off of it because the smell puts me in a bad mood. Too many late nights in machining plants trying to fix the mistakes of over-paid, self-important and unreasonable people in charge of buying equipment they don't understand. I'll get it slathered up with my preferred essences of cleaning, lubricating and protective concoctions first.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
More stuff came late last week!
I added an extra set of 30/30 dies and the breech-lock collars (bushings?), along with the case trimmer/gauge, sizing die holder and one sizing die for the 357s, but the one for the 30/30 was out of stock. Funnel, primer pocket cleaner,... Need to find just the right hinged-lid Plano storage box to keep all the accoutrements in order in the bag. It may seem like a lot in that bag, but the bag is only12" long, 9" wide and about 10" tall, and everything fits with at least half the capacity of the bag to spare. Doesn't weigh much either.


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Rally

NC Minnesota
For about 30 years I traveled with a "Snare Making Kit" while on the road traveling to Trappers conventions. I bet I made snares in at least 25 states over the years. Wasn't uncommon for me to make between 10-25 dozen when I had a layover between weekend shows.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Some progress, I think. I do not expect this to all work the first go-'round, but I have a few workable things going, even if they are not the end-all.

I am not 100% sold on the "lure-box" for die/accoutrement stowage. This is not perfect, but it's not bad. I am only missing a few small pieces, which were out of stock, but I'll catch those up and they will definitely fit. It is rigid and limits where you can stuff the kit, but not terribly so. I do NOT like the rattly-rolly nature of the spaces, but have plenty of pieces of closed-cell, sleeping pad material to dampen this annoyance if necessary. I would really rather make up a "tool-roll" for the dies, with a couple snap-flap pouches for the do-dads, but I would have to make that.

The whole sectioned box, contents included, weighs 3.94#. I still need a few small bits, which won't change this by mouch more than a few ounces. It is relatively compact, being 11" x 7" x 1 3/4"

The entire kit, lure-box, bag, press and all, weighs 6.75#, and that includes a couple wrenches to tighten the decapping rods in LEE FLR dies. I'll snag a pair of short combination-wrenches at the flea-market next summer to dedicate to this project. It takes a 1/2" and a 5/8", the latter of which has to be an open-end wrench. I'll cut the box end off the 5/8" wrench and the open end off the 1/2" wrench. I had this false epiphany this morning that I could cut each in half and weld them together. OK, that was before my second cup of coffee.

The tote bag came with a cordless drill set I got a year ago, but I have a couple tool totes just for my drill-motors, drills, accessories, etc. already, so this nice bag was going to waste. These bags make nice, portable shooting rests too, when stuffed with one's choice of ballast. I saved this bag for this project though, because it was just the right size and I still have plenty of room inside for a pound of Unique and a thousand primers, which by no coincidence, will give me one thousand loads, of four configurations in the 357 and 30/30, all of which are very useful and proven loads. Oh, and there is plenty of room for 100 357 cases and, say 60 30/30 cases without playing puzzle-pieces to get it all in there.

I may end up making tool-roll in the sketch below to keep the press clean and not rub the lube off the ram. Please forgive the ambiguity of the sketch, as I left my good sketching pencils at work. I'll have to find some material to make the tool roll - something which is not hygroscopic!

EDIT: Ignore the above comments regarding the "tool roll." I've deleted the sketch and added a picture of the gun sock @Dusty Bannister suggested, which is PERFECT. I just added it to my "wish-list" at Midsouth, with the few other items I am still missing.

This kit has/will have everything I need to handload two cartridges; the 30/30 and the 357 Mag, with a practical selection of two different loads per cartridge. I know that I could have bought a couple new whack-a-moles for $70 and fit them in a dopp kit, but this isn't meant to be a last-LAST-ditch, but just a last-ditch kit. I plan to eventually buy those too, but that's a different thing altogether. I actually HAVE a tin-cloth dopp kit, so that project WILL happen too. Unless, that bag gets used for the portable casting kit.

What's in there (so far):
  • LEE, Hand-Press, Breech-Lock version
  • LEE, 30/30 4-die set, with added Breech-Lock adapters
  • LEE, 357 Mag 3-Die set, which came with the adapters
  • LEE, 357 Mag Collet Crimp Die, plus an added Breech-Lock adapter
  • LEE, Shell-holders for each dies set
  • LEE, Ram Prime* setup, from another press from ages ago, screwed into the adapter that came with the hand press
  • LEE, Bullet-Sizing "Thingy," which holds the various sizing-die inserts, with an added Breech-Lock adapter
  • LEE, Bullet-Sizing Die Insert, .358"
  • LEE, Bullet-Sizing Die Insert, .309", to be honed to .310" (missing)
  • LEE, Dippers that came with the die sets, but will make/add what I really need
  • LEE, Lock-Ring Wrench, and will be adding at least one more, because they are sort of flimsy
  • LEE, Case Trimmer Cutter/Base
  • LEE, 30/30 Case Trimmer Mandrel/Shell-Holder
  • LEE, 357 Mag Case Trimmer Mandrel/Shell-Holder (missing)
  • LEE, Deburring Tool
  • LEE, Powder Funnel, which I may cut down or find a smaller one

What I need to ADD:
  • LEE, Bullet-Sizing Die Insert, .309", to be honed to .310"
  • LEE, 357 Mag Case Trimmer Mandrel/Shell-Holder
  • Rag(s)
  • Wad of steel wool
  • Case neck brush/"handle"
  • Sizing Die Lube for t he FLR 30/30 die
  • Maybe a small container of lube for the press

What I need to DECIDE:
  • *Priming means: I am a long-time devotee to the LEE hand-prime with the round primer magazines - just have to find them. I probably wouldn't toss the Ram-Prime tooling, in case I break/lose something on the Hand-Prime unit. Still considering.
  • Powder Dispensing: I have a Hornady powder dispenser with various bushings, which is compact and lightweight. I MAY or may NOT opt to go that route. I'm not against using dippers, and this setup will be for likely no more than two established loads for each the rifle and handgun rounds.
  • A bullet casting kit: I've tossed around a number of ideas on this, from adding a coiuple LEE 2C moulds to THIS kit, but I'm really thinking hard about buying a couple 2C moulds for the exact bullets I currently use in these two cartridges already. I've even toyed with the idea of a custom 4C with two 35-cal cavities and two 30-cal cavities. My mind went racing on that one, thinking I could even have pins for flat-nose AND HPs, and it started looking like a $400 mould. This will definitely be a separate project, unless I snag a couple used LEE, 2Cs to stick in the current kit for now. I'm half-inclined to take apart a pair of LEE, 2Cs and adapt them to interchange with one set of handles just for the heck of it. Even four pairs of LEE 2C blocks and one set of handles would be very compact.
I am having fun with this project. I'm being lazy and useless today, after a week of hustle-bustle, so this was a meaningful expenditure of time today. KIT-002 (Copy).jpgKIT-001 (Copy).jpgPistol Sock.jpg
 
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Jeff H

NW Ohio
If you have any orphan hunting socks, that might work as a cover for the hand press.
Dang, man! That's PERFECT!

I need to order a few small items yet, so I can add one of those to the order.

TWO brain cells is always better than ONE! I love working the collective intellect on this forum.

Thank you!
 

MW65

Wetside, Oregon
I'm going back to my engineering days, where the company I was with really loved the modularity of kits. Why not have a base module of the loader, and basic functions... then have add on kits for the other items... a casting kit... 30/30 kit, etc... everything within the kit should have everything you need to get things done. Just mi 2 centavos... enjoy!
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
Actually, @MW65 , we are already thinking along the same lines. I formulate my necessary kits along a hierarchy principle, which organizes what is the first to go and the last to go, in terms of what I carry or what I ditch, depending upon the situation. It works as sort of a regression-plan, wherein as the situation deteriorates, I can lighten the load as required, but start with everything I need and a lot of stuff I want.

This kit is almost at a base-level, in that respect, but there are things which I could ditch from the kit. I've already decided that the last thing to go would be my 3", 357 revolver(s), but I'll hang onto the 357 carbine as long as is practical. The 30/30 is along for the ride and assures I don't have all my eggs in one basket, but if something (among that mentioned) it would be the 30/30. If I don't have the 30/30, those dies and specific accessories can be ditched. The last line of defense would be a "whack-a-mole" kit for 357, under the car seat. If it gets worse than that, I'd trade the weight of the gear for the eight of ammo, because at that point, I won't be reloading for entertainment anyway, so I won't be reloading.

The cast kit is formulating as a sub-kit - a separate bag. The reloading bag and casting bag could be consolidated in a bigger bag, but one must watch that the containers for stuff doesn't start to consume more space than the stuff being contained. The casting kit looks like it might just fit into a tin-cloth dopp kit I already have, but I'll finish this kit and use it for a while before I start that one.

Thanks for the insight. I love the idea.
 

MW65

Wetside, Oregon
Thanks for the discussion! I'm already reviewing my portable kit, and picking up a few more things at midway to make it a little more user friendly. I guess it really boils down to one's use case. I already use my portable kit as a "range development" kit... which is handy and fun. But i can totally see transforming it (by adding or subtracting "kits") into a full "reloading in the sticks" sorta kit... which can be useful if i'm out at a friends ranch, showing them the basics on reloading.

Thanks again!
-Andy