PCed handgun bullets illegal in Indiana

KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
I was checking out the rules at a local range and ran across this faq. (I added the bolding to the relevant section) It is from the Indiana criminal code.

IC 35-47-5-11 “Armor-piercing handgun ammunition”; related offenses Sec. 11. (a) As used in this section, “armor-piercing handgun ammunition” means a cartridge that: (1) can be fired in a handgun; and (2) will, upon firing, expel a projectile that has a metal core and an outer coating of plastic. (b) A person who knowingly or intentionally: (1) manufactures; (2) possesses; (3) transfers possession of; or (4) offers to transfer possession of; armor-piercing handgun ammunition commits a Level 5 felony. (c) This section does not apply to nylon coated ammunition, plastic shot capsules, or ammunition designed to be used in rifles or shotguns. (d) This section does not apply to a law enforcement officer who is acting in the course of the officer’s official duties or to a person who manufactures or imports for sale or sells armor-piercing handgun ammunition to a law enforcement agency. As added by P.L.332-1983, SEC.1. Amended by P.L.327-1987, SEC.2; P.L.158-2013, SEC.596.

There is a house bill HB1095 to repeal this law, but as of the writing of this FAQ, it had not been passed.

What rubbish! I will comment no further because I don't want to get political.
 

KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
OK I looked it up, it's commercial plastic coated ammo. I have no idea if it's legal in Indiana. Note the exception for NYLON coated handgun bullets. I think this reg dates from the blue Nylock era.
 

358156 hp

At large, whereabouts unknown.
The outer coating of plastic is likely a reference to the KTW bullets also had a teflon coating on them, but I haven't seen any for ages now. KTW had tungsten (IIRC) cores and was on the luridly written "cop killer" list forever, and probably remains there to this day. Ironically, they were only intended for sales to Law Enforcement agencies, but that little nugget has been overlooked by history. That statute was obviously hurridly written by some dipstick who knows nothing about the subject, but secure in their own ignorance. S&W (later Federal) Nyclad lead bullets got painted by the same wide brush, but S&W managed to get that particular mess sorted out somehow.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
powder coat is basically a cross linked polymer like Hi-Tek is.
plastic is made from oil which I imagine all co- or single [odd word to put in from of another word meaning many] polymers are anyway.
I think they are more worried about the old nylon coated black talon's which didn't enhance anything but hype.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
The key word in the above is "and" , a projectile that has a metal core and an outer coating of plastic .

And now I admit that I read that as a hardened core or other than lead core without even realizing it until I pasted the passage ......
Wouldn't it take lab tests to validate the coating material ? PC/HTC is really just heat cured poly urathane in it's over simplified description isn't it ? (I've read 8000 posts in 40 threads and explored it as a durable component coating about the time it became all the rage for off roaders so I'm aware that it's much more than baked paint) .
It seems that there is an in process bill to bring the law up to technology date or at least refine metal core .

I've wondered but never asked how PC/HTC is delt with for.those that might use it for.a hunting bullet where it is stated exposed lead or expanding bullet in the laws . We know that there is a minimal impact on the terminal performance of any cast relitive to alloy and post coating heat treat but the exposed lead is the mandate .

Same fish different kettle , no ?
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
i'm sure they could get all technical and grumpy about anything, especially a warden in the field if he doesn't like your looks.

technically here in Idaho my model 94 Win is a muzzle loader if I push the bullet down the barrel and load a case full of [doesn't have to be black] powder behind it, and cock the hammer manually.
In reality I will lose my rifle and hunting privileges for a while and get to pay a fee.
 
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freebullet

Guest
Think resin. It's a thin malleable urethane, polyester, or epoxy encapsulation media to protect against dangerous lead vaporization. ;)

Of course... since they won't penetrate armor, they can't be armor piercing. :rolleyes:Don't mean it wouldn't cost a bunch defending ones freedom from malicious prosecution/ persecution by those that know nothing on the matter.

The bump stock & black rifle issues are the same. Weather you like them or not.

This is a prime example why we must all stick together on every gun issue. Together we stand, divided we beg.