Powder for the 10MM

fiver

Well-Known Member
well it's been 21 hours and I'm seeing nothing.
I pulled them out at 12 and had no clingers.
i'll just let them sit for a while longer and see what happens after a couple of days.
the cup I threw them in is a PETE type cup so if anything happens the cup should show something too I would think.
 

Hawk

North Central Texas
According to an Alliant Powder Rep on another forum, BE-86 has been around for over 30 years and they have produce millions of pounds of it.. They just floated it as a canitster powder to see if there would be much interest and there has.
Suppose to be close to or a little slower than Power Pistol and the same size flake. It has 40% Nitro Glycerin and the FS reduces the flash bloom of Power Pistol from basketball or bushel basket size down to baseball or cue ball size.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
it looked like I might have had a couple of clingers this morning so I gave everything a pretty good tap and it come off.
I will just let things sit now and see what happens.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
well I'm seeing nothing.
I would say it's not gonna eat into the powder coat.
still sittin there .
 

Hawk

North Central Texas
Well crap!

I bought a pound of BE-86 yesterday and put some on a PC'ed boolit.

After 24 hours, it looks like this and they're stuck to it like they have been glued on.

As you can see, when I picked it up with the needle nose, none fell off.

Fiver, I don't know why we got different results.

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Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Shouldn't the powder be under the bullet?:embarrassed:

I wonder how much the powder really changes with time when in contact with the powder coat? I'm sure it gives up some nitroglycerin to the coating but is it enough to be relevant?
 

Hawk

North Central Texas
I don't know, but its got to impact it. If it eventually effected 5% of the powder, as the PC reacts and dissolves???, that would be .5 grains on a 10 grain charge. I would think it would have an impact.
After tweaking a load for velocity and accuracy, I don't want it to become a different load down the road when I need it.

My chrono is kaput. Need to get a new one and do some testing over the next year.

Blue Dot gives good results, but is a real fire ball with a full load in the 10MM. People at the range always comment on it.

I'm trying to find a powder with flash suppressant that works well in the 10MM.

Has anyone tried plain based aluminum gas checks on the 40 S&W or 10MM?
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
what the hell?
I pulled 2 of them out today and just gave them a tap on the side of the little cup and nothing... there was like 2 little clingers and I just left them there.
I gave the sides of the third bullet a good finger wipe to see if the powder had been softened up and it was the same as the ones in the box.
I thought maybe there was something there but I was ready to give it a 2 thumbs up.
that's out of control.
maybe static?
 

Hawk

North Central Texas
Mine are stuck on like glue. None of them fell off when I used a pair of needle nose pliers to pick out the bullet. Tapped the jar and none fell off.
Seems to be worse than Longshot.
No worries, I was going to buy a pound to play with anyway.
Maybe they are using a different formula now, who knows.
Mine are coated with Smoke's Black from the CB forum.
Maybe I'll have to just use sized and lubed boolits instead of PC, but I'm not giving up yet.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
possible they changed something I know clay's got changed and some of the other H-type powders but I haven't heard anything about Alliant changing.
possible though.
mine looks to be a flatter more grey color and my powder coat is different too.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Powder coating has a variety of polymer types. I bet some are far more affected than others.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
I started using it to cut other powders a bit.
Randy's gray and the HF red makes a pretty close to Dr.Pepper can purple at a 3-1 mix.
 

Hawk

North Central Texas
Here is the same boolit after about 48 hours. Seems to have more powder stuck to it, so it continues to react with the PC

The powder won't knock/brush off, but can be scraped off with a fingernail or knife.

I've put a Harbor Freight "Red" boolit in the powder. I'll check on it tomorrow after 24 hours. Am expecting different results, based on Fivers experiment. It must be the type of powder that is making the difference.

It would be great if the Harbor Freight powder doesn't react. I could carry and shoot pigs with "Tubes of lipstick".

There will be no end to the jokes from the other guys on the lease! Haha!

Great group of guys, some that I have hunted with on this property for 38 years!

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fiver

Well-Known Member
that is horrible.
the powder is sticking to the other powder too like it is breaking down.
 

Hawk

North Central Texas
Well, the Harbor Freight red is doing much better then smokes black PC powder.

I have 10 or 15 powder kernels sticking to the harbor freight red and they come off fairly easily just brushing them with a fingertip. There are five or six kernels that are stuck pretty good.

I'll give it another day or two and report back.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
I got out my magnifying glass this afternoon while I was waiting for the puppy to come in.
my powder is much grayer almost a silverish look to it.
I got it right when it first hit the shelves, and now I'm wondering if it isn't repackaged power pistol or something like that.
I could kind of see a maker doing something like that to see if the powder would take off or not.
it could also explain why I see the data flip flop back and forth between unique and herco speed in a lot of the early data.