Pure lead at 50

johnnyjr

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Wind right to left at 50 yards. Lovering 86 pure lead,no gas checks. Winchester wst powder,4.5 grs..10 shots.
 

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Dusty Bannister

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Seating gas checks on a very soft bullet should not be a problem if you happen to have a Lee push through die of the right size. With the IN/OUT lube sizer, just push it in enough to crimp, not fully size the bullet. See if that will avoid deforming the nose of the bullet.
 

JWFilips

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You have some groups forming at different points!
Change in rifle rest , Change in follow through, Change in sighting or possibly changes in different brass neck tensions Also weigh your brass, I bet some weigh the same and some do not! Count out the different weights and I bet the individual groupings will show this! Light loads ( Low Node Shooting) is finicky! .1 grain of powder one way or another will change groups! Brass volume ( different between different lots) will change groups! I weigh my brass to + / - .2 grain
Low Node is more complicated them most folks think!
 

johnnyjr

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You have some groups forming at different points!
Change in rifle rest , Change in follow through, Change in sighting or possibly changes in different brass neck tensions Also weigh your brass, I bet some weigh the same and some do not! Count out the different weights and I bet the individual groupings will show this! Light loads ( Low Node Shooting) is finicky! .1 grain of powder one way or another will change groups! Brass volume ( different between different lots) will change groups! I weigh my brass to + / - .2 grain
Low Node is more complicated them most folks think!
Interesting challenge though. I'm enjoying it a lot. I like to get to the range early,no wind or very little. Didn't get there today until 11:30 and the wind was picking up. Thinking of trying some linotype sometime. Your right about the low node being complicated. Appreciate all the advice from some of the posters..
 

Ian

Notorious member
Well I think you're doing great at 50. True, it isn't representative of "linear dispersion" and your 100-yard groups might be a dinner plate sized....or they might be very good also. I don't impose my standards on others, some people shoot .22 rimfire in competition to 400 yards or more and have the know-how and tools to do it well, to me .22 rimfire is a 50-yard cartridge at best and more like 25 for most purposes. Handguns are for fighting your way to the rifle you shouldn't have left behind in the first place in my opinion, or for backup. If you can make a ragged hole at 50 yards using one of the more notorious cast bullet "unfriendly" chamberings, then you're doing a lot of things right. Mr. Target and your personal satisfaction factor always have the last say in these things
 

johnnyjr

Well-Known Member
I'm working on it. I usually only shoot 20/25 rounds.. primers are hard to come by unless you want to pay thru the nose. I think a have a thousand left..
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Well I think you're doing great at 50. True, it isn't representative of "linear dispersion" and your 100-yard groups might be a dinner plate sized....or they might be very good also. I don't impose my standards on others, some people shoot .22 rimfire in competition to 400 yards or more and have the know-how and tools to do it well, to me .22 rimfire is a 50-yard cartridge at best and more like 25 for most purposes. Handguns are for fighting your way to the rifle you shouldn't have left behind in the first place in my opinion, or for backup. If you can make a ragged hole at 50 yards using one of the more notorious cast bullet "unfriendly" chamberings, then you're doing a lot of things right. Mr. Target and your personal satisfaction factor always have the last say in these things
Good post Ian. Folks seem crabby here as of late.
 

Brad

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Staff member
I wouldn’t say crabby, I would say siloed.

It is easy to want to impose personal standards on others. I don’t criticize others for their choices as they really don’t impact me. I may speak of what works for me or what I “like” or enjoy but by no means does that mean everyone else should do likewise.
 

Snakeoil

Well-Known Member
I know you are having fun and working thru stuff at your own pace. I'll simply offer up this. I think the use of pure lead and gas checks is combining two things that should not be combined. I would suggest something like 20/1 for GC bullets based upon my own experience. I would also suggest that you forego the GC seating tool on the Lyman Lubrisizer. It is not necessary. Snap the GC on the end of the bullet and then run it thru the sizer and lube it. Been doing it this way for a while now and with great success, meaning accuracy and consistency. Key is to put the GC on straight with your fingers before it goes into the press. Does not go on straight, take it off and try again. I am a firm believer that dropping the GC into the die followed by the bullet is a mistake. Not that you are doing that. Just thought I'd mention it just in case.
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
^^^^Depends on what cartridge your loading. I use 20-1 to cast hunting bullets for my 44 Mag carbine. I prefer to use a gas check for insurance against possible leading. Any rifle bullet gets a gas check..............I don't do low niode shooting.

Nose first sizing negates, dropping a gas check in the die, followed by the bullet. YMMV
 

johnnyjr

Well-Known Member
Snake oil,
I have tried it both ways. Actually I find the Lyman Lovering 86 gr the most accurate,the plain base bullets.
It seems to be better with the soft lead.and lube,sized at .244 diameter..
I have a few 10 shot groups at 3/4 to 1 inch at 50 yards. But I always seem to get that one flyer. Lol... johnny