RCBS Cowboy Dies

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
My .25-20 RCBS Cowboy dies sized my brass so small my .251" plug gauge would not go into the neck. Now my .25-20 brass can charitably be called vintage, i.e. W.R.A., REM-UMC, and Peters. I cannot risk losing any! I emailed RCBS and mildly bitched chastising them for stating the Cowboy dies were optimized for lead bullets. I received a phone call, from a live person, not only a person but a machinist who told me to keep my too tight die for jacketed and made a new full length sizer die to my specifications. I wanted .257" finished I.D. optimized for .259" bullets. No problem says he, and no charge! He told me he'd have the heat treat Dept. make my custom die a slightly different color so I could tell them apart at a glance.

Service like that is priceless. I say go for it and if you're not happy, they will make you happy.
Another case of your experience not mirroring mine. I've only had a couple issues with RCBS products over the years, but I've never gotten anything free, any phone calls or anything approaching reasonable service. Yet I hear tales of others getting exemplary service, free replacement parts, etc. I must do something wrong! Or maybe it's opening with, "I broke this, can I buy another?".
 

L Ross

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Another case of your experience not mirroring mine. I've only had a couple issues with RCBS products over the years, but I've never gotten anything free, any phone calls or anything approaching reasonable service. Yet I hear tales of others getting exemplary service, free replacement parts, etc. I must do something wrong! Or maybe it's opening with, "I broke this, can I buy another?".
How about? "I bought this used at a gun show and it's missing this, that, and the other thing, can I buy these parts?" No, but we'll send them to you gratis.

I will amend that to say the only time I was disappointed was when I wrote them about a digital scale that just quit. That fell under the , "Sorry but it's electronic and served you for years, buy another one."
 
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Rick H

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Bret, I have tried to purchase replacement parts from RCBS and they just won't let me pay. Absolutely the best customer service I have ever seen. OK, there is Leupold scopes but I only had one experience with them and it was over the top great service as well.
 

richhodg66

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A week or so back, in my shooting of gallery loads in Dad's High Wall Krag, I sized a bunch of cast .32 ACP bullets he ad, tumbled them and loaded them with about seven grains of 700X without doing anything to the cases except punching out the spent primer and inserting a new one. Gotta be careful with bullets at that point, almost no neck tension, but they shot almost as well as the heavier gas checked ones and might still do it if I teak things. I sure like the idea of no case sizing.
 

richhodg66

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I've only done it a couple of times, but the first time I had a set of used RCBS .22-250 dies with bent stem, called offering to buy parts and the guy was almost short with me, "Just tell me what you need and where to send it" (maybe not quite that short, but it was clear he was too busy to talk). Parts were on the front door step in about three days.

I have very little brand loyalty where anything is concerned ,but a gut can't lose with RCBS.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
I'm a fan of the Lee collet neck sizing die, and use/used them for all my bottle neck cartridges. Adjusting them for .0015" neck tension has worked very well, for me.
Two benefits in one; NOT squeezing the neck down ridiculously, which causes your chosen expanding spud/button to also work ridiculously, and allowing just enough latitude in tensioning the neck without needing multiple bushings or spuds. Depending on how finely one wishes to split hairs, how many different brands/lots/vintages of old brass one has, whether one chooses to turn or ream necks, it can eliminate certain other of those activities while allowing some pretty respectable accuracy.

OK, benefit three: eliminates the need to lube, then clean off lube, at least for several cycles through the chamber and dies.

I think every answer, suggestion or observation in this thread boils down to how one achieves taking it easy on the brass and not squeezing the snot out of your bullet.

On customer service, I think I only once ever needed to approach RCBS - for broken decapping pins. I don't remember if they sold them to me or if I paid for them, but I don't remember having any issue. Lyman, and this was many years ago, went to more trouble to get out of helping me than helping me would have been with a very roughly finished 30-06 die. I'd reached a point where I could afford "better" dies than my cheap LEE stuff and bout Lyman. Ended up replacing the Lyman dies with LEE. LEE used to be pretty easy to deal with, but my last few calls met some pretty snotty responses. Charter Arms: on both occasions, a human called me in response to my e-mail query, one of whom was the owner, the other a very polite lady. In both cases they went above and beyond. Ruger,.. pretty good. Not necessarily as "friendly," like Charter Arms, but efficient and fast, with one exception, for which they called me and apologized a year later and asked if they could make it up to me.

And, @Tomme boy , I have not forgotten the link you posted to LEE support, and will try that the next time.

@Ian , I'll look into the Redding die with two carbide rings.

@L Ross , I worked with ONE customer when I was in industry who made carbide cutting tool "teeth" for machine-tool tooling. He was a bit flaky, so I can't promise t hat this is good information. He gave me the impression that the carbide bits and pieces, though very hard, could be fragile until attahced to whatever they were attached to - something tough, but somewhat resilient. The carbide insert idea is cool. I just wonder if they'd have to build a steel ring round it to make the idea fly. I'd think just a carbide ring would split, without that support. My former gunsmith always insisted on carbide taps, because he could shatter them to get them ouit of the hole if he broke one. I never saw HIM break one, but he did have to remove the tip of one I broke off in a hole once.
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
I use RCBS carbide dies, exclusively, without wasp wasting being an issue. These dies are dedicated for handguns. All the expanders have been replaced with Lyman "M" dies for cast. The original RCBS expanders, reside in the orange Lyman box, marked for undersize plated or jacketed. I size all my cast bullets on the large size. The six 9mm's and two 357 pistols gets .3585 conventionally lubed bullets. The three 44's pistols are sized .431 or .433 diameter. The 45 Colt BH gets them .454 diameter.

9mm manufactured "81"
38/357 manufactured "81"
44 Spl/44 Mag manufactured "82"
45 Colt manufactured "86"

The RCBS carbide Cowboy dies (357 & 44 Russian/44 Special) are set for only neck sizing brass for my Marlin 1894 and a 38/357 Rossi Model 92. Both sets are less than ten years old. I Star size my bullets .433 & .340 diameter, respectively. I never fire Specials in either carbine.

The 44 Cowboy Dies aren't marked for 44 Magnum...........only Special or Russian. There is a reason for this. The sizer won't adjust far enough down to knock the spent primers out of 44 Magnum brass when it's set for neck sizing. Note in the die box says to decap 44 Magnum brass separately.
 

waco

Springfield, Oregon
Just FL sized a bunch of 30-30 with my brothers RCBS standard dies. The brass will take a .304" minus pin gauge but not a .305"
My dies should be here sometime today so I'll compare the cowboy dies and see the difference.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
How about? "I bought this used at a gun show and it's missing this, that, and the other thing, can I buy these parts?" No, but we'll send them to you gratis.

I will amend that to say the only time I was disappointed was when I wrote them about a digital scale that just quit. That fell under the , "Sorry but it's electronic and served you for years, buy another one."
Okay, now you're just trying to make me cry!!!! ;)
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio

MOST FLR dies I've owned squeezed the neck way more than necessary for anything I've done with cast, but I have polished a few expanders down a little for more neck tension on jacketed.

Expanding to an ideal ID for cast isn't hard - I even made an expander for 7.62x39 cases from a field-point for an arrow once, because the expander that came with the dies was too small. They shot great, but the brass was getting way more of a workout than necessary.

I've probably lost more bottle-necked cases to neck splits than anything and have always wondered if this weren't at least part of why that is.