RCBS "Summit" Single Stage Press

Cherokee

Medina, Ohio
DHD - I bought one of those Frankford tools and tried it out this past weekend. At full extension, it still would not reliably fully seat CCI SP primers in FC 9mm cases. Since the tray is for small & large priers, the SP primers would not flow smoothly, tending to jamb two side by side at the mouth unless you jiggle the tool after every primer seating cycle. It is much more substantial than lee but it doesn't perform any better than the Lee. I'm going to give it another try before I return it.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
I bet a bunch of us here use the RCBS bench mounted priming tool.
it gives you enough leverage to just about crunch a primer if you really try, but you can actually feel the primers go in the pockets.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I bet a bunch of us here use the RCBS bench mounted priming tool.
it gives you enough leverage to just about crunch a primer if you really try, but you can actually feel the primers go in the pockets.
It is without a doubt the Packard of priming tools. The Lachmiller was almost as good, but required proprietary shellholders, or an after market ram.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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I have had one for years. It affords good leverage and I use it for push thru sizing and forming cases.
The 2” ram claim is bogus. Yea its a 2” chunk a steel. But ram it dont. The die block simply rides up and down on the 2” post. All the strength is in the toggle and it ain't as beefy as others. I have broken the toggle.
I picked mine up for 100$ brand new at a shop that was getting out of reloading supplies.
I do like it.
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fiver

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for sure.
that's why I recommend it for bullet seating but not much else.
I just liked the footprint on the bench otherwise I'd have either just put one of the other 0-frames back on there or went with a big o'l LEE classic cast, a harrell's or the like.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
As stated at the outset, my original question started out as a 'WhatTheHeckIzzat?', and some googling developed an ID as the RCBS "Summit" press.

2 presses per caliber means a second shell holder per caliber. I currently ride herd on about 35 calibers with around 20 shell holders to service them. When a second/newer press showed up on scene, the older/smaller unit got traded off. This occurred c. 1985, when a friend who wanted my RCBS JR press for bullet seating bought me a new Rock Chucker and swapped me for the JR even-up. Well, YEAH. OK! It made sense to him, he loaded 3 rifle calibers (223, 30-06, and 338 Win Mag) and wasn't much of a handgunner. 3 more shell holders was no big thing.

Me--on the other hand--I shoot 20-25 handgun rounds for every centerfire rifle round I expend. This almost screams "DILLON", but by 1999 when I had evolved toward reloading in volume I still had small-to-moderate counts of MANY calibers, and a significant investment in dies for single-state reloading. A turret set-up seemed like the best mid-point between single-stage and fully-progressive.

Enter the Ponsness-Warren machines. I have the P-200 meant for pistol and small rifle calibers; there is a larger 5-station machine for case lengths up to 375 H&H. YES--I have lusted in my heart for one of those. But, "Not yet". For the present I resize my 223 Rems on the Rock Chucker, but re-prime/re-powder/seat bullets on the P-200. 22 Hornet, 25/20, 30 Carbine, and 32/20 get done entirely on the P-200.

A long-winded route to saying that if another press comes to my place, it will be that P-W for full-sized rifle work, and I still might resize on the RC.

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Cherokee

Medina, Ohio
I have 3 presses: a JR, CH 4 station H press, Dillon 650 w/case feeder. Each gets lots of use for different cartridges and processes in reloading. Something revolutionary has to come along to make me want other than what I have. The Dillon fit that bill when the 650 came along, I got one; what next ?
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Bench mounted presses: RCBS, Lyman, Johnson, Harrell's, New Yankee, Belding and Mull, Modern Bond, Potter, Jordan, Redding, Pacific and two I have not been able to ID yet. Yes I have reloaded ammo on all of them (except the two unknowns)! :) Presses are so much fun and interesting.
 

smokeywolf

Well-Known Member
I'm kind of spoiled by the Hollywood single stage I've been using most of my life. Never used any other press. Only other press I have a hankering for is a Hollywood turret.
 

DHD

Active Member
DHD - I bought one of those Frankford tools and tried it out this past weekend. At full extension, it still would not reliably fully seat CCI SP primers in FC 9mm cases. Since the tray is for small & large priers, the SP primers would not flow smoothly, tending to jamb two side by side at the mouth unless you jiggle the tool after every primer seating cycle. It is much more substantial than lee but it doesn't perform any better than the Lee. I'm going to give it another try before I return it.
Understood.

FWIW, I too have to jiggle to get primers to flow when I'm doing a lot of cases. I have been able to get the primers to seat as deeply as I want them to however. Just a thought, are you using the FA shell holders? Even though it came with a whole set, I use the Lee shell holders just because (I know I have a reason for using the Lee's, but I forgot why......).
 

fiver

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hey Cherokee they got a 750 now.
it's the 650 with the 550's priming.
I have been semi watching for the release this spring for the frames to be available for the swap over.
I hate the priming set up on the 650 so bad I probably would have gave the press to someone local if they had expressed any interest in it.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
I have made no secret--here and elsewhere--that I am no ally of automation or high-tech gadgetry. For me, the fully-progressive systems like the Dillons are just doing too many things at the same time for me to be comfortable with the ammo they produce. The P-W takes more time to load a given lot of brass than the Dillons do--I grant that. But I can look at each case during every step of the operation, in particular right after dropping powder--and I am able to eyeball the powder level in each case. I make use of ball and flake powders that lend themselves to smooth work in my RCBS powder measure, and check-weight every 10-12 drops during a loading run. That too can be done whenever the spirit moves the user. When IMR-type "stick" powders get used, I go single-stage and use a loading block to eyeball ALL of the powder levels with a strong light source. I usually scale-and-trickle-up the balky fuels like the 4350s and 4831s. Trust nothing--test everything. TRUST NOTHING.
 

fiver

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you'd probably be super surprised at how boring weighing 5.2grs of powder over and over and over can get when your testing drops on a Dillon.
a ponsess warren shot shell loader will drop .1gr different from one machine to the one sitting next to it with the same bushing installed.
I'm good with a shot gun but I can't tell .1gr difference no matter how hard I try.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
Lamar--right with ya, sir. Those P-W shotshell machines are about as good as it gets. I have done OK with the MEC 600 Jrs, which are kinda similar to the P-W metal caliber machines. "Semi-progressive", they call it. It takes 32 ACP or similar-sized metallic rounds for 0.1 or 0.2 grain differences to show up downrange in some way. My skills and my guns just aren't that refined, and that goes double for any scatter-gun.
 

Snakeoil

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The reason for that beefy column is to provide surface area for what is a system that is cantilevered under all operations rather than being purely compressive in nature. If you look at any typical press, like a RC, the column has no side loading. This is one reason that ancient presses are still in service with no appreciable wear to the column fit. The column is under compression for most operations. In the Summit press, the column load is a bending stress under all circumstances. So, with time, the cast iron components that slide up and down will start to wear at the highest stress points, which is fore and aft at the ends of their bores. It will take some time for sure, especially if kept greased. I would also expect this to add more frictional losses, countering a small part of the mechanical advantage. When I look at this press, it just says that it wants to cock the loading die relative to the case as soon as a load is applied. Remember, there has to be some clearance for the moving part to slide on the column. Clearance equals play no matter how small. So, the die will never be as straight relative to the case as it would be in a typical press design.

I tend to think that the Summit press is more a marketing ploy than anything else. It's different and sets the product apart from all the standard O presses out there.

C&H made their H style press which was similar in function to the Summit, only used two smaller columns on either side. The cantilever was much shorter so the bending stresses were less. It also mounted more than one die making it more productive. Looking at one, you could do less critical steps like depriming and resizing on the mounting positions that were not axial to the columns and a bit cantilevered out and the more critical bullet seating process on the center position where there was zero side loading. I've never used one or read their instructions. But my guess is this is how it was intended to be used.

I would not mind finding one of those. Friend has one in his shop. I need to take a closer look at it.

For those who are not happy with the spent primer catching arrangement. Assuming it mounts to those two screws at the front of the base, I'd suggest a cover that wraps around the chute where the shell holder mounts and a spigot added to the catch tray to attach a tube so primers can fall down the tube into a waste can under the bench. For those who can fabricate, bend up a new primer catcher with a pitch to it and a tube fitting to accomplish the same. The one thing I hate about both my cheapo Lee press and especially my RC is that spent primers go all over the place. I tend to deprime using the hand tool I used for years at the range when shooting BPCR matches.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
Thanks Bob! That is why they have those adjustment screws and lock nuts on the back of the platen then. I made a gibb (sp) for mine. I can adjust for front to back and side to side. Love the grease zert.