Rifle bedding pillars

[Ian]

Thanks to KeithB for the freebie stuff, it turns out there were a pair of custom post ,64 model 70 bedding pillars hiding inside some of those aluminum rods. The skinny, long one will be cut to length for the tang and is turned .030" under for a 7/16" hole to be drilled with a center-cutting end mill. The front is .040" under 1/2". I put a phonograph-record finish on the tang pillar for extra grippage on the epoxy, which is why it looks terrible. The other one I did a different day and forgot to do that. I think they'll hold either way.

Hold on...figgering out how to resize pic on fone thingy

ETA, can't resize with Android, most of the apps no longer resize, so it's a pinko-commie plot to burn up allotted data on limited plans faster by sending 5MB images in text messages/emails instead of allowing the user to edit the photo on the fone. Glad I'm on wifi currently. So I emailed the photo to myself, downloaded it to my laptop, edited in paint, saved to laptop, logged in and now I can post it. Sheesh. Brad's gonna give me hell for for not getting an iDon't.

 

[Brad]

Bet there are lots of free apps for resizing photos. My iPhone takes a huge photo but I resize them to a lower pixel count for posting.

 

[Ian]

There are a bunch of free apps but I haven't found one yet that resizes. I checked several that used to and now they don't have that feature. I'll find something, it's quite a handicap not to be able to edit and upload photos that I take with my phone, directly from it. I could use imgur but I have to upload the file at full-strength in the first place.

 

[Bruce Drake]

The Paint software on most Windows system can easily resize jpg files. Its on the home menu bar under Picture and then resize and you can resize it by percentage or by actual pixel count. I usually upload my phone photo to the laptop and edit the size of the file that way or if I'm in a hurry, I'll upload it to Facebook as a posted picture and let that app do the compression of the file for me then just save that smaller file. Many ways to skin a cat without buying expensive 3rd party software...

 

[Brad]

And why are you photographing machine work over your dinner?

 

[scb]

SnagIt works great

 

[S Mac]

I use Photo and Picture resizer on my Droid, works well. Think it was a free app I downloaded.

 

[Pistolero]

I use Paint, free software on every Windows machine forever. Quick and easy.

I made mine for a Rem 700 a number of years ago, very similar. I used an adjustable boring
head in a friend's Bridgeport to cut the tops to the same diam curvature as the receiver. Works
great.

Bill

 

[Ian]

I use Paint for all my PC photo editing. The issue is editing photos I take with my phone, on my phone, so I can upload directly to the forum with my phone and the file not be ridiculously huge. Still looking for an app for that, similar to the one S Mac mentioned.

The Winchester pillars are flat on top, but angled on the bottom to match the angle of the bottom metal/stock. The receiver is milled flat where the pillars touch it, but warped/puckered etc. so I had to draw-file the receiver flat in both places so the pillars would mate correctly.

I finished the pillars, dug all the old Acraglas out of the stock, bored the stock holes out to size, and set about getting the wood relieved in the proper places. Winchester had their bottom and top stock milling operations out of alignment by about 3/32" laterally, so the bottom metal always tended to twist the action and magazine well to one side. The barrel perpetually favored the right side of the channel because of the wood touching the sides of the receiver in the wrong places, so I spent all afternoon block-sanding and shaving with a chisel to get just a hair's bit of relief in all places. Using layers of tape around the barrel, on the stock inside the magazine well (to keep the action true), and letting the tang just barely touch the wood in one tiny spot at the very back will give me support points for bedding the pillars. I'm actually going to bed the pillars and action together in one shot this time due to the pillar tops being flat and I don't want to deal with the action squirming around a little bit in the screw holes (I bushed the screws in the pillars, but still I'd rather do it all at once). I made spacers for the screws and torqued the pillars in place at final action torque so there should be no stress in the system. I'll bed the bottom metal last, after cleaning up around the pillars to leave them slightly proud.

 

[Ian]

Skipping to nearly the end, here are the pillars installed. I went ahead and did this in two stages with the pillars bedded first, then carving out the excess epoxy around the pillars, the skim bedding the entire action.

 

[Ian]

That looks terrible due to low resolution, but the next choice is too big to upload. Pixler sucks for resizing or cropping, back to the search for a decent mobile photo editing app.

 

[Pistolero]

This is why I hate phones as camera and other stuff. They frankly suck at all of it. I prefer to take pix
with a camera, and get on the internet with a computer. Occasionally do it with phone, but it just
rubs my nose in how poor a substitute it is.

Bill

 

[Brad]

Almost every photo I post here was taken with a cellphone.
Now the iPad, that camera sucks.

I will admit a camera is better but the convenience alone dictates that a cellphone is used most of the time.

 

[Intheshop]

Phone here,email pics to myself,in that process "it" asks if you want to resize.Hit medium.....

Buuuut,the reason for post was to ask what you're trying to accomplish with bedding/pillars? Better acc,better cold bore predictability, just felt like it,bored,tired of dirty diapers?

I've made a bunch...... pillars,well diapers too by "default",haha.

 

[Ian]

I'm trying to get this rifle to shoot again, it's been in sickbay for about 15 years and has a long, checkered history. First off, Dad bought it new in 1982 and a friend of his floated the barrel, removed some wood around the front receiver ring and glass-bedded it. It shot great for a while, but after a few years things fell apart. The rifle has broken two scopes, and has always kicked like a wild mule. I found the receiver had wallowed out the bedding somewhat and re-did it a number of years ago, this time full skim. It shot good again but in a couple years it fell apart, very badly, like pie plate at 100 badly. Recently I took it apart and found the Acraglas had crystallized and softened to where I could dig it out with a pocket screwdriver. Now, why pillars? Action screw torque. The bottom metal has gradually sunk into the stock, requiring frequent re-torquings since day one, so pillars were in order to fix that problem for good. A good cleanup and full skim-bed again, this time with some GOOD epoxy that can handle recoil, will hopefully get it shooting good again. The rifle has fewer than 300 rounds through it, including cast and paper-patched, so it should have a lot of life left and is well worth spending some time to finally put together right.

The other inspiration is that I killed my first deer with this rifle and I'd like to get it back in tip-top condition for posterity.

 

[Intheshop]

Need coffee,be back in a few.....

 

[Intheshop]

Like a bic pen,or their lighter for that matter........ where to start?What was "before" changing into,what is.

So,Mr. Blanchard figures out a way to dupe( duplicator) a rifle stock.They have one at Harper's Ferry, most excellent run park service,recreated armory machine shop.Well worth the visit,open to the public.

Once we can dupe a stock,a certain level of craftsmanship got lost.Seen again with the advent of CNC. Resonate frequency...... may ( and "may" means possibly,not an absolute) explain why one rifle kicks more than it's twin brother? talking wood here.

Ever really wonder how sporting rifle stock design/shape evolved?Could taming resonate frequency vibration damping have anything to do with it? Naaaaawww,couldn't be,those boys didn't have computers like we have today,what did they know? Fast fwd to Rutledge plywood,bow industry calls it,"action wood".In rifle stocks the lams help cancel out or tame vibrations,along with the epoxy. Symbiosis.

Gotcha on your dad's rifle.After it's done,try 3 distinctively different "rests". A towel folded on the truck hood...... a commercial bipod(Harris)...... and a full-tilt BR rest/bag setup.Rifles speak to us,it just "may" be in a language pattern you haven't experienced before.

Now onto the dz donuts wifey bought me...well,3 went down for desert last night so, 12-3=?

 

[RBHarter]

10 ......if ya didn't get a bakers dozen you're getting shorted .....

There's a quartet of Model 12s around here someplace . 2 are quite nice to shoot even with 1972s finest 1-1/4oz goose loads . 1 of them just kicked the living ..... Well it was brutal and made my cheek bones hurt with 7/8oz trap loads . One is a fitted stock for its owner . The other 3 have factory wood . I hadn't thought about hum .
Correct length , cast , comb hight/tilt make a huge difference in felt recoil . That 1/16" on the comb , just a 1/32 tapered off front of the comb can take a tonne of bite out of a stock . I had to fix a BPS butt stock at the wrist I added a touch of cast on to it and raised the butt just a little bit and all of that shortened it about an 1/8" .
Dead straight comb that drops away under recoil and returns to mount . It made a good gun great and improved my shooting from 14/25 in the field to 18-20/25 .

 

[Ian]

It kicks because it's a five-pound .270 Winchester with 3/8" of hard rubber for a recoil pad, but even then it feels like it kicks about three times as hard as it should. Straight back into the shoulder, turns me black and blue and I swear started off my left shoulder rotator cuff problems years ago. It's the only rifle that has bruised me like that. I've shot several Remington .270s and they are cream puffs, can shoot all day. My thought used to be the throat must be causing it, but I made a pound cast and it's a long, gentle leade, plenty big, so I'm not so convinced that's the source of the stupid recoil. Two scopes with busted internals would agree the recoil is insane, got a Vortex for it this time, we'll see how that holds up. I'm going to use a lead shot shoulder pad next time it goes to the range.

 

[Intheshop]

Interesting.

Man,it's a bakers dz on the humidity here today....think it's 110%.Feel like,you could see vapor trails shooting CB's.