Ruger Hawkeye Stainless, 7X57mm
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Will he be using jacketed or cast?
He has a 30-30 Handirifle, right? For jacketed Hornady makes a nice 130 gr spire point that downloads well. A decent load of RE7 should easily give 2-2200 fps. Recoil shouldn't be too bad and results are good.
He has a 30-30 Handirifle, right? For jacketed Hornady makes a nice 130 gr spire point that downloads well. A decent load of RE7 should easily give 2-2200 fps. Recoil shouldn't be too bad and results are good.
Brad,
I wonder if this is too light at about 2250 - 2300 fps ?
https://www.midsouthshooterssupply....diameter-110-grain-hollow-point-tnt-100-count
I wonder if this is too light at about 2250 - 2300 fps ?
https://www.midsouthshooterssupply....diameter-110-grain-hollow-point-tnt-100-count
Spindrift
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Nice post, thank you!
You are maybe aware of this, but speer load data are now available for free
https://www.speer-ammo.com/en/reloading/rifle
They provide some reduced loads in many cartridge/bullet combinations. Perhaps some inspiration to be found there?
Happy hunting with Trevor!
You are maybe aware of this, but speer load data are now available for free
https://www.speer-ammo.com/en/reloading/rifle
They provide some reduced loads in many cartridge/bullet combinations. Perhaps some inspiration to be found there?
Happy hunting with Trevor!
Pistolero
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Hodgdon recommends their H4895 for reduced loads. Apparently it is especially
forgiving, burning well at lower pressures. If you check their site, I believe they have
some specific recommendations on lowering charges with it for youngster hunting
loads.
However... a full power normal load in a 7x57 with a 139 gr Hornady Interlock (ordinary
flat based JSP) will not kick much. If it is more than he wants, dial it down a touch.
I used this inexpensive bullet for my practice loads when getting ready for Africa and learning
to shoot over shooting sticks, standing - a new skill for me. IIRC I used about 33 or so gr of H4895
and this was very low recoil and shot about an inch at 100 yds, all I could possibly need for
practice shooting. I did need to adjust my scope from full power loads a little bit, but if this
were his hunting load, that problem is gone.
I practiced hitting 6" dessert sized paper plates, a handy practice target for deer hunting,
too. Cheap, and a good goal is to keep the shot on the plate. Good goal for your grandson.
OK here it is directly from Hodgdon:
Hodgdon Powder Company has found that H4895 can be loaded to reduced levels. H4895
was chosen because it is the slowest burning propellant that ignites uniformly in reduced
charges. To create reduced loads, the 60% formula is recommended.
Find the H4895 load in the Reloading Data Center for your caliber and bullet.
Take the maximum H4895 charge listed and multiply by 60% (.6). The load may
be adjusted up from there to achieve the desired velocity and accuracy.
This works only where H4895 is listed. DO NOT use in a cartridge where H4895
is not shown.
Example: 30-06 cartridge with 125 gr. Sierra SP bullet. Max load shown in the Reloading
Data Center with H4895 is 53.7 grains. 53.7 X .6 = 32.2 grains. The shooter begins
with this load, and may work up from there to obtain the desired velocity and
accuracy for his reduced load.
Call Hodgdon Powder Company if additional information is needed, 913-362-9455.
So, for 7x57 and 140 gr, the max shown on Hodgdon's online data is 37.5 gr.
Multiply by 0.6 and you get 22.5 gr. You can work up from that to get the
velocity, recoil and accuracy combo you want. That should be REALLY mild
at the start. But it is nice to know that the powder will "behave itself" at those
low charges, officially from the experts.
Bill
forgiving, burning well at lower pressures. If you check their site, I believe they have
some specific recommendations on lowering charges with it for youngster hunting
loads.
However... a full power normal load in a 7x57 with a 139 gr Hornady Interlock (ordinary
flat based JSP) will not kick much. If it is more than he wants, dial it down a touch.
I used this inexpensive bullet for my practice loads when getting ready for Africa and learning
to shoot over shooting sticks, standing - a new skill for me. IIRC I used about 33 or so gr of H4895
and this was very low recoil and shot about an inch at 100 yds, all I could possibly need for
practice shooting. I did need to adjust my scope from full power loads a little bit, but if this
were his hunting load, that problem is gone.
I practiced hitting 6" dessert sized paper plates, a handy practice target for deer hunting,
too. Cheap, and a good goal is to keep the shot on the plate. Good goal for your grandson.
OK here it is directly from Hodgdon:
Hodgdon Powder Company has found that H4895 can be loaded to reduced levels. H4895
was chosen because it is the slowest burning propellant that ignites uniformly in reduced
charges. To create reduced loads, the 60% formula is recommended.
Find the H4895 load in the Reloading Data Center for your caliber and bullet.
Take the maximum H4895 charge listed and multiply by 60% (.6). The load may
be adjusted up from there to achieve the desired velocity and accuracy.
This works only where H4895 is listed. DO NOT use in a cartridge where H4895
is not shown.
Example: 30-06 cartridge with 125 gr. Sierra SP bullet. Max load shown in the Reloading
Data Center with H4895 is 53.7 grains. 53.7 X .6 = 32.2 grains. The shooter begins
with this load, and may work up from there to obtain the desired velocity and
accuracy for his reduced load.
Call Hodgdon Powder Company if additional information is needed, 913-362-9455.
So, for 7x57 and 140 gr, the max shown on Hodgdon's online data is 37.5 gr.
Multiply by 0.6 and you get 22.5 gr. You can work up from that to get the
velocity, recoil and accuracy combo you want. That should be REALLY mild
at the start. But it is nice to know that the powder will "behave itself" at those
low charges, officially from the experts.
Bill
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That 60% rule is exactly what I used for my mom's 308 for my daughter to use.
That 100 HP would probably work but I am skeptical as it might be most of a varmint bullet in construction.
The 139 Interlock should work.
How well does Trevor handle recoil? That is a huge determine factor but I bet Ben knows that. I liked the bipod to facilitate a good shot. I don't have a bench in the field so I wanted her to shoot from the same position she would use in the field. Worked well.
That 100 HP would probably work but I am skeptical as it might be most of a varmint bullet in construction.
The 139 Interlock should work.
How well does Trevor handle recoil? That is a huge determine factor but I bet Ben knows that. I liked the bipod to facilitate a good shot. I don't have a bench in the field so I wanted her to shoot from the same position she would use in the field. Worked well.
fiver
Well-Known Member
the TNT's are varmint bullets and are very fragile.
for the 30-30 this sierra weighs 125 grains and only needs a muzzle velocity of 2200 fps to be effective out to 100-150 yards below that it loses too much speed.
the interlock's jacked is scored to program it to open even at lower velocity's.
try 34-36 grains of I-4895 with a 139 Hornady and see if the Kid is okay with it I bet he is.
for the 30-30 this sierra weighs 125 grains and only needs a muzzle velocity of 2200 fps to be effective out to 100-150 yards below that it loses too much speed.
the interlock's jacked is scored to program it to open even at lower velocity's.
try 34-36 grains of I-4895 with a 139 Hornady and see if the Kid is okay with it I bet he is.
Brad,
We have a " shooting house " that we'll be hunting out of .
He will have a padded rest for the front of the fore end of the rifle.
As to increased recoil, we have not ventured into that yet.
You're at step 8/9/10.
We're still at 4 and 5 with mild 50 yard cast loads.
Of course, the clock is ticking.
Ben
We have a " shooting house " that we'll be hunting out of .
He will have a padded rest for the front of the fore end of the rifle.
As to increased recoil, we have not ventured into that yet.
You're at step 8/9/10.
We're still at 4 and 5 with mild 50 yard cast loads.
Of course, the clock is ticking.
Ben
the TNT's are varmint bullets and are very fragile.
for the 30-30 this sierra weighs 125 grains and only needs a muzzle velocity of 2200 fps to be effective out to 100-150 yards below that it loses too much speed.
the interlock's jacked is scored to program it to open even at lower velocity's.
try 34-36 grains of I-4895 with a 139 Hornady and see if the Kid is okay with it I bet he is.
I have a nice Howa 308 Win. that he could shoot that bullet out of.
Ben
My issue with cast is that they need either speed or diameter to give a good wound channel. A 7mm is a caliber where I would want over 2K fps with cast. Even in 30 cal I want 1800 fps. At that point recoil can become an issue.
Now if Ben had purchased that 44mag Ruger #1 in Tulsa a few years back....
Now if Ben had purchased that 44mag Ruger #1 in Tulsa a few years back....
My Son in Law used H4895 and a Sierra 120 gr bullet downloaded in a 7-08 for my small statured grandson for a couple years. Worked pretty good. I think this year he is moving him up to starting load level with 140 Partitions for the soft front half, the rear section should punch on through.
That 139 Hornady is used by a few people on elk, might be a little stout at reduced speeds. I know it kills whitetails a little slower than the Nosler 120 Ballistic Tip in my 7-08.
That 139 Hornady is used by a few people on elk, might be a little stout at reduced speeds. I know it kills whitetails a little slower than the Nosler 120 Ballistic Tip in my 7-08.