Ruger Security Six 357
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Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
RB, I haven't looked, no. I have a very simple horizontal rifle mount that consists of a hunka metal conduit bent into a "U" shape and liberally padded with electricians tape, and a hunka 4" baler belting (a rubber/fabric belting, like conveyor belting) with a 2 1/2" hole in it. It's attached with a ho'made "L" bracket and will hold pretty much any rifle, shotgun, pry bar, fence post or anything else that will fit. It just isn't weather proof at all which is why it tends to carry ratty old Mausers, Arisakas or Mossbergs.
StrawHat
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My Uncle had Allis Chalmer tractors on the farm. Riveted on the fender of each tractor was a canvas rifle “bag” and inside was either a Winchester Model 1890 or a Winchester Model 1906. Both were 22 LR as I recall. Anything outside the canvas, about 2/3s of the buttstock, was bleached by the sun. Anything inside the canvas was loving caressed to bare metal. But when needed, both were true to their sights.
There were also a couple of Farmall tractors, a Cub and a Model A. Both had the riveted canvas bag.
Kevin
There were also a couple of Farmall tractors, a Cub and a Model A. Both had the riveted canvas bag.
Kevin
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L Ross
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If you found a tiny little Model 19, why can't you find a great big tractor tire chain?
telebasher
Member
Lipseys exclusive.Don't tell me things like that!!!!! Now I feel the GAD (Gun Acquisition Disease) flaring up!!!!
oscarflytyer
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and that is EXACTLY how I am looking at it! My 19 is gorgeous, and while I will shoot it, really no desire to holster it. My Mdl 10, more of a tool and will holster. The Ruger - it will LIVE in a holster!
Don't know which has spent more time in a holster, my M19 4" or Security-Six 6". But you can sure tell the difference by looking at them. The M19 is Blue and the Security-Six is Stainless. The Smith has about 1/3 of the blue worn off. The Ruger has shiny edges.
I actually carried my NM Blackhawk 6 1/2" a lot more then either. But I was young then and the weight didn't bother me. Just wanted the Hottest Load I could get.
I actually carried my NM Blackhawk 6 1/2" a lot more then either. But I was young then and the weight didn't bother me. Just wanted the Hottest Load I could get.
CZ93X62
Official forum enigma
The "Hottest Load I Could Get" ZIP Code is definitely in the Ruger BH's toll-free dialing area. I have done some rather intrepid things with my Bisley BH x 7.5 " inn 357 Magnum......along the lines of #358156 at 1525-1550 FPS, or 180 grain cast FPs in the 1400 FPS realm.
I was loading out of the My Dad's notes in his copy of the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook #1, those are not what I would load today.
For either the Lyman #358156(158gr) or Saeco #354(180gr).
None of those are remotely close to the Level of today's published loads.
Sure didn't shoot many in the old M19.
For either the Lyman #358156(158gr) or Saeco #354(180gr).
None of those are remotely close to the Level of today's published loads.
Sure didn't shoot many in the old M19.
JWFilips
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My Model 19 is pristine also! My Model 15 pretty nice but it is a good carry gun with 4" barrel. My Pre-27 Smith spent many years in the Adirondacks with a guide ( It was my friend's Uncle who inherited it when his uncle pasted and did not want such a large frame revolver) That one and the 15 are in holsters
The only Ruger Single sixes I have are all 22LR
The only Ruger Single sixes I have are all 22LR
StrawHat
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I remember living in that zip code for a period of my life. I had a M29-2 and Elmers load was a frequent flier. Had a 44 Super Blackhawk and really hit the gas pedal with it. Back to Ruger twice for rebuilds.
Along the way I hunted with a buddy and noticed that similar hits on white tailed deer produced different results. His deer usually were down within one or two steps. Mine would run off. It took a few years but it finally sunk in. I sold the magnum and embraced his method, 45 long Colt, 260 ish SWC, and as much blackpowder as the case could accept. There really is such a thing as overkill.
Kevin
Along the way I hunted with a buddy and noticed that similar hits on white tailed deer produced different results. His deer usually were down within one or two steps. Mine would run off. It took a few years but it finally sunk in. I sold the magnum and embraced his method, 45 long Colt, 260 ish SWC, and as much blackpowder as the case could accept. There really is such a thing as overkill.
Kevin
I looked at Strawhats post about sending a Ruger Super Blackhawk back to Ruger for a rebuild, Twice. Been thinking about it a lot.
I put 35,000 rds of HOT 1950's loads through a NM .357Mag, only have a bit of gas-cutting between 5,000 to 10,000 rds. In just 5yrs.
Super BlackHawk; have a blue 7 1/2" and one of the 1st Stainless 10 1/2" barreled ones. Shot HOT LOADS with W296/2400/4227. Cast from 240gr to 300gr, Jacketed too. About 40,000rds in 8-10yrs, almost no gas-cutting though, just a line really.
Have not had a problem that I can tell. Maybe a bit of wear on the locking bolts, but those are easily replaced. That's it.
I put 35,000 rds of HOT 1950's loads through a NM .357Mag, only have a bit of gas-cutting between 5,000 to 10,000 rds. In just 5yrs.
Super BlackHawk; have a blue 7 1/2" and one of the 1st Stainless 10 1/2" barreled ones. Shot HOT LOADS with W296/2400/4227. Cast from 240gr to 300gr, Jacketed too. About 40,000rds in 8-10yrs, almost no gas-cutting though, just a line really.
Have not had a problem that I can tell. Maybe a bit of wear on the locking bolts, but those are easily replaced. That's it.
RBHarter
West Central AR
Walks ,
I think it just depends on how much slop they start out with . I suspect that Rugers are a little bit like the old Chrysler engine line when it comes to barrels and cylinders . Until the 383 couldn't smog anymore it wasn't uncommon to see one on a virgin tear down with 10,15,20,even,30 over pistons in it or an base 2V with a truck cam and and flat top pistons . They built them to a basic tolerance if they had a blem in a cylinder wall or an over/cam bearing they simply ran it through the bore line until it was gone or stuffed whatever the blem rework cam of the day was in it . Sometimes the parts resulted is a real milage maker and sometimes they were really hard on tires . Ruger I suspect has a gauge station for cylinders over/on/under and a barrel gauge station so when the cylinder guy gets it he just hangs the long bearing short cylinder (eg) in the frame with the undersized base pin . As a result sometimes you get a hermetic bank vault and sometimes you get one that is ready for the long bearing standard cylinder and and fat base pin after 2,000 rounds or you get one like yours that was 0/0/0 under and assembled wet .
I had an untouched 1917 , 8/18 assy , that had almost no bolt drag , no bolt ding , and less cylinder gap than headspace . It had 6 perfect .4530 throats and when slugged from the muzzle dropped a .4513 slug out zero bump or drag . The breach poured .4518 and looking at the closed locked hammer down cylinder and barrel all 6 holes had visually no mouth . It was about as close to perfect as one gets and it came out of a plant that was making some 5,000/day hand fit pistols . Sure S&W was known for that kind of quality but I'd lay money that in 1918 they didn't fit that tight out 8 spec buckets more than 1/10,000 .
The Bicentennial BlackHawk I had was quite unremarkable dead in the middle of cyl gap , end play you could feel but not measure and headspace on the short side . Throats were in pairs from .452-4545 and the first time out it shot 3 right together , out but close enough , and 1 that made me question my abilities . With them lapped up to .4535+ for the .4515 barrel I can live with it . The same hole is still wild but it's inside 7/8" per 10 yd instead of 2" per 10 . I bought 2 ACP cylinders for it the first needed an .002 shim and had about .0055 cyl gap but nice even throats that would chamber .454 . The second shared the .453s with the S&W 1917 no flyers and needed to have the bluing and a machine blem/scratch removed off the nose for zero slop free turn and .0025 cyl gap and zero hang ups after 500 rounds over 3 days . I didn't get it until it was 30 yo but it had significant holster wear . It also wasn't a convertible so it never had a second cylinder fitted . The short cylinder was to eventually be a Schofield to let the rims take up the end play but that never happened for me .
I think it just depends on how much slop they start out with . I suspect that Rugers are a little bit like the old Chrysler engine line when it comes to barrels and cylinders . Until the 383 couldn't smog anymore it wasn't uncommon to see one on a virgin tear down with 10,15,20,even,30 over pistons in it or an base 2V with a truck cam and and flat top pistons . They built them to a basic tolerance if they had a blem in a cylinder wall or an over/cam bearing they simply ran it through the bore line until it was gone or stuffed whatever the blem rework cam of the day was in it . Sometimes the parts resulted is a real milage maker and sometimes they were really hard on tires . Ruger I suspect has a gauge station for cylinders over/on/under and a barrel gauge station so when the cylinder guy gets it he just hangs the long bearing short cylinder (eg) in the frame with the undersized base pin . As a result sometimes you get a hermetic bank vault and sometimes you get one that is ready for the long bearing standard cylinder and and fat base pin after 2,000 rounds or you get one like yours that was 0/0/0 under and assembled wet .
I had an untouched 1917 , 8/18 assy , that had almost no bolt drag , no bolt ding , and less cylinder gap than headspace . It had 6 perfect .4530 throats and when slugged from the muzzle dropped a .4513 slug out zero bump or drag . The breach poured .4518 and looking at the closed locked hammer down cylinder and barrel all 6 holes had visually no mouth . It was about as close to perfect as one gets and it came out of a plant that was making some 5,000/day hand fit pistols . Sure S&W was known for that kind of quality but I'd lay money that in 1918 they didn't fit that tight out 8 spec buckets more than 1/10,000 .
The Bicentennial BlackHawk I had was quite unremarkable dead in the middle of cyl gap , end play you could feel but not measure and headspace on the short side . Throats were in pairs from .452-4545 and the first time out it shot 3 right together , out but close enough , and 1 that made me question my abilities . With them lapped up to .4535+ for the .4515 barrel I can live with it . The same hole is still wild but it's inside 7/8" per 10 yd instead of 2" per 10 . I bought 2 ACP cylinders for it the first needed an .002 shim and had about .0055 cyl gap but nice even throats that would chamber .454 . The second shared the .453s with the S&W 1917 no flyers and needed to have the bluing and a machine blem/scratch removed off the nose for zero slop free turn and .0025 cyl gap and zero hang ups after 500 rounds over 3 days . I didn't get it until it was 30 yo but it had significant holster wear . It also wasn't a convertible so it never had a second cylinder fitted . The short cylinder was to eventually be a Schofield to let the rims take up the end play but that never happened for me .