Sharps 25/45

CWLONGSHOT

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Has anyone here traveled this road?

I bought a barrel four years back when I became disheartened with the 300 BO power past 100 yards hunting deer. I shot a fair sized buck walking slightly away @ a measured 160 yards with a 125 Sierra bullet launched at 2300 fps. The bullet struck right on the shoulder leg bone. The deers head was down. That durn bullet skipped off that bone!!!! Skidded forward exited then re entered the neck and thats where it stayed. Deer jumped and ran out of sight. I found a horrific blood trail about 60/75 yards and a very dead deer at its end. I assume the bullet had cut the jugular in the neck. But IT BOUNCED OFF the shoulder!!!!!!!! It DID NOT break that shoulder!!! Any how not pupuing the lil 300 its taken about 24 deer for three of us hunting with it since about 2011 ish. Its energy of sub 1500 muzzle really drove home (for me) the NEED for a minimum energy ON TARGET. I wanted to be able to make a 200 yard shot late season when the leaves are down in open timber. Largely hunting distances are closer to 50-75 many with times being half that. Under those conditions, The 300 has provided bang flops a dozen times. Im a fan of bullet diameter over speed. But wanted to hunt a MSR. Many calibers ta choose from but many that overlapped what I had in bolts and single shots. Surely I could just take a different gun but I wanted just a lol more then what the 300 could bring. This caught my eye and with just a barrel swap I had it.

IMHO, Factory ammo is too hot. They are possessed to do 3000 with a 87g because thats there claim ta fame. I tested all the bullets I had plus bought a few more for most of a year. EXCELLENT SUB MOA accuracy when it liked a combo! Took a deer with a 87 was not impressed. It surcomed fast enough, but shoulder shot didnt show much effect. A 90g Sierra HPBT proved faster but never exited on two more but one was bang flop and one didnt make a dozen steps. Then Hornady released the 110 FTX bullet for the 25/35. I was intrigued and quickly found that all powders I had used shot really well! AA2200 worked up to 2650 with that heavy!! It also shot touching groups @ 100 and right at 1-1.2 @ 200!

About a month later a 210# ten point walked a lil to close and I sent a FTX into the base of his neck. Devestating round. But it didnt make it out!! But he was beyond DRT. He was dead in mid air!!

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It might not of exited but it did hold together!! One more doe later on was lungs shot and a good quarter sized exit and fifty yard sprint was the result. Distance was about 140 yards.

I am re visiting this caliber as I bought a 6.5 Grendel that next summer and this has now become my go to.


Curious if anyone has shot owned and thoughts about it

CW
 
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L Ross

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Curmudgeon and Luddite that I am, I saw the thread and was thinking .25 caliber and 45 grains of black powder in some kind of case resembling a necked down .38-55.

From reading your post instead I think you are talking about a .25 caliber based on a 5.56x45 case? That's as confusing as having MOA clicks in a MIL-Dot scope.

Also from reading your post CW, I see you are getting .250-3000 performance from an AR platform? Is that was a MSR is? I tried GoogleFoo but I didn't come up with a MSR rifle.

Halps me CW, halps me.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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Apologies, yup, Modern Service Rifle. MSR dosent trip the radar so much... Yes a "AR".

The caliber isnt new Contender shooters have been doing it in 25,6.5,7mm for decades. Its a 223 case opened to 25. Thats it.
250/3000 87g preformance is there claim. I have t seen it in my 20" but 29+ but WARMER then I like.

I also worked up to lower 24's using the excellent 117 RN and it can be crimped in the cannalure!! With good accuracy!!!
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Can't comment on this round 1st hand, but it sounds like a 250-3000 clone. We've had excellent results in the 250 with the Nosler partition, 90 gr IIRC. Several deer and a bear.
 

L Ross

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Apologies, yup, Modern Service Rifle. MSR dosent trip the radar so much... Yes a "AR".

The caliber isnt new Contender shooters have been doing it in 25,6.5,7mm for decades. Its a 223 case opened to 25. Thats it.
250/3000 87g preformance is there claim. I have t seen it in my 20" but 29+ but WARMER then I like.

I also worked up to lower 24's using the excellent 117 RN and it can be crimped in the cannalure!! With good accuracy!!!
The Hornady 117 RN is our go to woods bullet in a Ruger M77 International in .250-3000. I drive it hard in an 18" bbl. to get 2,600 fps. We have never recovered a bullet. Mediocre accuracy at 200 about 2 to 2 1/2 MOA but about 1 1/2 at 100. I think the twist could be tighter. Typically the deer go 20-25 yards after impact. The farthest shot I ever made with it was on the biggest buck I ever shot. I was way up in Northern WI, and shot a huge 10 pointer that I came across a little dribbly blood trail and huge foot prints in the snow. Turns out it had been belly grazed and carried what looked like a shallow knife slash right behind the sternum. I caught him crossing a recent logging slash galloping sort of hunched up at 135 paces. Managed to bust his heart and atypically, he fell almost immediately.

When Sue was still hunting she liked the Nosler 100 grain Ballistic Tip because of the bang flop effect. But she is such a cautious hunter and only takes broad side gimme shots she'd do fine with a .22 mag.if it were legal.

Getting too late in life to add another deer rifle, but....if I did I'd want a .257 Roberts in a slender full stocked bolt gun with a 20" barrel. Throated and twisted for 120 grain spire points.
 

Ole_270

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I've thought about getting one, seeing as how the 250-3000 and 257 Roberts are my favorite hunting rifles. I'm just not crazy about the handling and weight of my 20" Rock River Coyote AR though. Guess I'm just too old school. The reloading data I've seen is just under 250 speeds, should work fine with decent placement. I've taken several deer with the 87 Hot Core with no problems.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I wanted one for my Dad he was a big fan of the 25 .
But 6.8 won out for parts P&A .

A 25x7-30 has a certain appeal but a 25 Souper would be easier in a bolt gun or MSR 10 .

MSR was quoted as a modern sporting rifle to me ........ tomato/tomato I suppose .
 

Bruce Drake

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I've wanted a 25-45 Sharpes barrel for a while for an extra AR15 upper receiver and BCG I have on a shelf but I haven't committed yet to the bones to buy the barrel while I still have other wildcat projects in development.
 

fiver

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make your life simple.
get some Hornady 100gr. soft points and get whatever you can from them.
if you clear 2650Fps. by any amount your not gonna have to go through all these gyrations.
 

Ole_270

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The Speer 100 Hot Core is slightly softer than the Hornady so it might be better suited to the lower velocity. The 87 Hot Core at 3000 out of my old 24” M99R with its slow twist has been really dependable on deer. I’ve seen some say the 100 Ballistic Tip with its heavier jacket is a might hard even for the 250-3000. I haven’t tried them yet, saving them for the 257 when I run out of 100 Interlocks
 

Missionary

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We bought an upper 14 months ago thinking we could be up there last summer but #19 took over down here. So this thread I will for sure follow along the way
 

CWLONGSHOT

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make your life simple.
get some Hornady 100gr. soft points and get whatever you can from them.
if you clear 2650Fps. by any amount your not gonna have to go through all these gyrations.
There is a number so "apparent" good selections. But... Some are not what they appear. Its a tough velocity. It can move the light weights but the heavies are tougher and forget about most any BT plastic tip style simply said they are too long. Much like most 22 spitzers in a 22 Hornet... ALSO expansion reliability. Thats why I was so excited with this 110FTX. AND the fact it was designed for a caliber that less HP then this one. Also knowing the FTX routinely are easy expanders as well as a lower expansion threshold then the 1800 most have.
The SPEER 100 is just blunt enough to work but finding them was a issue.
I tried to like the 80g TTSX AND TsX Barnes but nope they have a small window of velocity and this caliber simply dosent fit that well.
The 90g HPBT is a GREAT bullet as long as ya get a bit of distance OR throttle back for close range.
 

fiver

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I shoot the speer 100gr. boat tail quite a bit for deer hunting but it has a velocity window just below the 25-06's normal 3-K velocity.
perfect for the 257 Bob, and it's gotta be the most accurate speer bullet i've ever used. [even on the longer shots it opens easily]
it's the longest bullet I can use in my 0-6 built on the mauser frame because of the twist rate.

the flat bottom and longer nose taper of the Hornady is just about the perfect fit though [quite a bit shorter length too] I get less expansion at closer distances, but still reliable expansion if I have to stretch things out to 300yds or so.

I wish the 'controlled expansion' speer was a bit more controlled on the expansion part, but it would surely do the job at the lower speeds.
I'd be concerned about the length though.

what would work really well is if you could get ahold of some Remington 86gr. cop and core bullets, I have used them in the 25-20, the 257 arisaka pushed to a sedate 2400 fps. [on coyotes and rock chucks] and in the 250 Ackley ramped up to 3-K for deer hunting.
 

Ole_270

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Speer makes more than one 100 gr bullet. A boat tail bullet, the flat based Hot Core and if I remember right a hp. The boat tail isn't built with the molten lead process the Hot Core uses and is considered by many to be softer than the Hot Core. I've never used the boat tail or hp so can't give any experience there. The Hot Core process is advertised as a bonding process, I don't think it works very well, but do think they use a bit harder lead core than the others.
 

Bliksem

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So why not just go with the 300 Hamr, 30/30 FTX and be done with it? Yea, slightly lower BC but?
I became disillusioned with the 300Blk for hunting quite some time ago and ended selling off almost all of them and only use the remaining ones for paper punching.

Thread drift warning:

I have gone down the path of the 7.62x40WT and 300HAMR and they are much better than the 300Blk. (Never interested in subsonic or cans.)

The 300HAMR with certain bullets are very effective and the accuracy attained with the Wilson Combat barrels are impressive.

Another of my rifles is a Herret Rimless Tactical but even though it is an impressive combo the cost and complexity makes it an outlier in terms of economical MSR builds.
 

Bruce Drake

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Bliksem, I'm like you on the 300BLK. Its basically a hot .30 Carbine cartridge. I've recut the chambers on my two 300BLK barrels to 30 Herrett Rimless and also a .30 BR wildcat with different bolts.