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freebullet

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Ran the 20" redmax yesterday for a couple hours. It's a workout but enjoyable experience.

Hadn't heard of the chaps til a friend last year cut his leg just above the knee. Handful of stitches & he was ok. He apparently needs the chaps & I should look in to them. Been running 20-24" bars since 12yr old, seems like second nature.

One thing I don't want while running one is any other people in my 10' bubble.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
In Highschool and the year after we cut way north of 400 cords of wood . Going into my Jr year we had delivered 97 cords and had 127 for sale and 8 for the house and shop from 6/10 to 9/1 . In that run I found 3 saw bites in my boots , 6" heavy leather with Viberam soles .

It was some Summer of 17 ........ We went on a cross country trip from just south of Reno to just south of Terra Haute Indiana and hauled a cousin back ........ Flying was exciting coming home , we got trapped between weather layers , flying the I 80 median , waving at truck drivers as we went by ....... The real thrill was that interchange . See there aren't any high tension lines across the freeway but the 60' ceilings just west of Sydney Wy were hiding the light standards up into the soup 90° to the ground .........dirt road ..... Big berm with fence ........ Whowhohoho run way , hard left , flaps ,power off , touch down !
0600 , 59° density altitude 10,300' ......... Thank God for 6,000 ' of runway .

3 weeks into the Cousins stay we dumped a truck and 3.5 cords in a trailer wags the truck roll over . He left 10 days later unscathed but I had 21 stitches across the bridge of my nose and into my eyebrow . Back to the woods , where I almost immediately found a stump full of yellow jackets , I don't know what variety of wasps they were but they looked very much like yellow jackets . Stung twice in the right side of my face and once on my right hip . I blew up like a balloon and swelled that eye shut that was barely healed up and still green from the roll over . The stitches had been out 4-5 days ........ I looked a little bit like the elephant man actually .

At that point we were driving the rolled truck and a buddy came out to help in trade for getting his folks a 2 cord load . 3rd tree down walked one side to clear brush , went back to clear the other side and started cutting the small stuff from the high side . A limb popped underneath and the tree rolled towards me , hooked the brake/hand guard and shoved the saw into my knee totaling a new pair pants and getting me 21 stitches to pull the gash together , marble sized chunk of shredded skin and skin fat cut out too .
The age of enlightenment as they say . Been a lot more careful with saws , trailers , driving in the fog , and hollow logs since then . That summer probably saved me a lot of life grief .

The floor has always escaped me , I always thought that they were cut in captured slab or "t&g" inleted half rounds with as needed joists . I guess plywood speeds up the actual floor a lot .
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
After seeing my father, who was a USN fighter pilot, better and smarter than I ever imagined I might be
make that mistake.....I made steel toes a hard rule for mowing and chainsawing. My wife has steel toes
for mowing, riding or pushing, too.

I agree with Keith, although I also protect myself from the 'stranger danger' stuff, too. I have broken
about a dozen bones over the years, and am WAY past the "it can't happen to me" BS theory. It CAN
and HAS happened to me, so wear the protective gear and minimize damage, is my approach.

My wife was dumped off of a bicycle going about 8 mph by an overexberant big lab. When her friends got
to her she was flat on her back unconscious with a 8" pool of blood under her head. I got a call from the
ambulance driver to go to the hospital across town. Fortunately it was a 1" split in the scalp, and the
helmet saved her from a serious concussion on the pavement. A couple of busted ribs and she was
really drifty all that night, but OK afterwards - except for the ribs for 6 wks. Helmets on bikes.....not an
option IMO. She would have died or suffered serious brain injury without an inch and a half of helmet
crush space.

PPE, Yep, I'm a believer.
 
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smokeywolf

Well-Known Member
I'm a very careful person. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." I've spent thousands of hours in the machine shop alone. When I did have machinists working under me, I had to give monthly safety talks.
While I've never been a fan of "point of operation guards" on mills, I'm very persnickety and unforgiving about keeping spark guards and tool rests set properly on grinders.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I haven't seen a kid in a bike helmet in years here. They passed the law when I was still on the job, seems to have faded away entirely. The only bike helmets I see are on the skinny dudes dressed in colorful spandex on the racing bikes that refuse to get to what shoulder there is on a windy, hilly road. I'd likely wear a helmet if I was challenging milk trucks and weekend heroes pulling the ski boat for the first time too! Of course there's also a law in this state in some obscure book that says you have to wear a helmet and steel toes if you work around or ride a horse. I can't even begin to imagine who would enforce that.

There is another forum I'm on that is dedicated to older tractors. Thread drift and staying "on topic" runs about like it does here. I swear, if anyone so much a mentions chainsaws, buzz saws, stickler type wood splitters, tricycle front tractors or radial arm saws, every bar stool tale of blood letting and missing limbs will appear as if by magic! One guy even told the "factual" tale of how his second cousins best friends mothers hairdressers grandsons mailman "fell into" a radial arm saw and cut off one or both arms and an ear, or some tripe like that. He finished up by saying "...that's why radio arm saws (his spelling) are outlawed and are illegal to sell anymore." Naturally, being the contrary sort, I linked to a dozen or so companies selling "radio" arm saws at that time. He never did get back on that! I am firmly convinced that the same people who manufacture the horse puckey we hear about guns also have a dedicated group of talented tale tellers (aka- liars) that produce the crap we hear about the above mentioned tools!

One of my favorite sayings- "The finest group of the most talented safety engineers, using the latest data and information, backed up by millions of dollars of industry investment and a cadre of lawyers that dwarfs the population of many small nations, are no match at all for the average idiot with a power tool!"
 
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Intheshop

Banned
One of these days....

Got an ancient Craftsman radio arm saw in "inventory". We used to use it with a dado head for certain milling ops. Got tired of cleaning it off every time we went to use it so,chucked it on the round tuit pile.

Anyfreakin way.... a nice tight smallish one,think Default used to make a nice HD 9" but don't quote me..... take one and pretty much strip it to the bone. Put the correct thin wheel on it and make a GREAT bandsaw blade or chainsaw sharpener. The fixturing would clamp/bolt onto the metal chassis rails under the wood(toss the wood).
 

Intheshop

Banned
Wouldn't work too hot on circ blades cause....

On the radio saw the blade or chain are low in height compared to length....so the motor and wheel travels over the indexed blade.

Circ blade sharpeners work sorta the opposite in that.... the blade moves on a carriage being presented to the wheel.
 
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Intheshop

Banned
Another use for radio saws is they are the "guts" motor carriage'ly speaking twds an XY panel saw. Google foo Striebig.....

One of the reasons the bttm literally fell out of the big sliding table saw market..... they take up soooooo much floor real estate. And if you've ever been chained to one,and we're talking 20K$ machines...... well,if I never see another ain't hurting the feelings.

Compared to a well kitted panel saw..... sheet,like comparing an F1 car to a pickup truck for speed.
 

Ian

Notorious member
I bought a cheap, portable tablesaw a few years ago because I haven't finished building the wood shop yet but needed one in the meantime. It came with a myriad of plastic guards and shields covering the blade. One had anti-kickback teeth and long arms, but how the cast plastic teeth were supposed to bite plywood is beyond me to understand. I ripped all that crap off of there so I could see the blade, because if you can see what you're doing it's easier to prevent binds/kickback before it happens. I also figured that they pile all that garbage on top of the business part so when you take it off (and you have to to cut anything other than a square cut on <1" material) the lawyers say whoops not our problem now!
 

Intheshop

Banned
Man,our "big" TS is a beast...... 14/16" blade. With the 16 it won't go beneath the top. Being the cheap bastid,I take 10's and 12's and have a fixture for the Bridgport to bore the small arbor holes out to the 1" or whatever the big saw has.

When the "new" 14/16 Oliver went to china,they basically went to the same Mao company that built ours..... which is late 70's. I literally got it out of a drainage ditch when chauffeuring a buddy on a "arn" mission. Was sitting on the tailgate of my truck drinking a cold one,watching him and the seller going over some tit for tat.......

I'm like,WTF is that thing in the ditch? Got it for a cpl cases of beer money. Went through it,put a motor on it.... some reasonably sophisticated under table dust collection.... then,had to do it,haha.... painted in Grizzly green and that cream colour they use. I sent pics to the Grizz president,whatever his name is. He's pretty cool,captain of the USA F class shooting squad.... we went back N forth for awhile. I was trying to harda$$ him out of this bandsaw power feeder he had his guys build up as a what if.... we couldn't come to terms,haha.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
I agree that many of the silly plastic "blade guards" are so flimsy and hopelessly in the way that I am glad that my
power tools came from my father and were made in the 50s, long before that silliness.

That said, the explosive table saw blade stopper seems like something that would be smart to have in a pro wood shop.
I would think that working all day, every day around a table saw may let one get a bit complacent, and having to replace
a $150 blade brake rather than losing half your fingers ( as a friend of my wife did in his home shop) to a moment's
inattention seems a fair trade. I am particularly respectful of power tools, and pushers, store bought and home made are
there and used in my wood shop. The metal lathe gets some real respect, too. Hands on the controls, well clear of the
moving parts.
No loose cuffs or such.
But some guards are so unworkable, that they really beg to be removed. Long rips on a radial arm saw are a bit
daunting. The potential for making a reasonable facimile of a Roman arrow launcher is always there. I move my
cars from downrange when it needs to be done.

Most PPE is well worth it, IMO. But your parts, your risk.

Bill
 
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Intheshop

Banned
Pistolero,the subject of saw stop technology is so devisive that on right many wood wacking forums they've programmed in "thread stop" haha,if the words even come up it gets deleted. The guy that "came up" with it is a first class ambulance chaser..... he saw a chink in the armor and throws this in at exactly the right time. Think Glock "dumping" their product to the LEO community..... quality engineering be danged.... "we're gonna OWN this market".

We can go on but.... like politics and religion... it just doesn't do well in these types of formats.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
Does the saw stop not actually work? I only know the marketing videos which seem convincing, but certainly can
be faked. I have a totally open mind. If it works, it seems like a good thing, if you WANT to buy one. If not,
and it is a scam, I'd like to know about it.

Bill
 

Rick

Moderator
Staff member
I've only seen that saw stop on a couple of the DIY TV shows, they say it works but then the MFG is probably a sponsor of the show so . . .

In one of those episodes they slid a hot dog into the blade and it did stop instantly with barely a nick in the hot dog. Well . . . maybe huh? Don't think I'd care to test it with my pinkies. :rolleyes:
 

Intheshop

Banned
Oh my goodness....

"That girl is black N blue from guys hitting her with 10' poles". Is that disgusting enough? Y'all are on your own.
 

Ian

Notorious member
I ran a Sawstop for 3 years straight. It is EVERYTHING they say and a bag of chips. Even aside from the safety feature, the one I ran was an incredibly fine saw and held up great, had fantastic dust collection hookups, precise fences, rock solid and smooth, you name it.

I personally set it off twice. Once was on a fragment of what looked like utility knife blade sandwiched in the middle layer of the plywood, another time was on a wood grub inside some naturally-dried hardwood lumber. The grub, probably the size of a match stem, was cut but not in two and was still in his tunnel wiggling when we sectioned the board. My boss set it off once with the hair on his forearm, probably saved him an injury. It kills an $80-150 blade along with the cartridge but that's cheap. Have it up and running again in 15 minutes.
 

KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
When I was still full time at the U and buying a lot of shop equipment we were told we could ONLY by a saw with saw stop technology. One visit to the e-room is more than the price of a new blade and brake. No argument from me on that directive.
 

Ian

Notorious member
It would be good technology on chainsaws, as this thread has shown even experienced, careful people have a difficult time defeating the law of averages given enough hours operating one.

Notching poles, especially cracked, hard, creosote-soaked power poles is a trip with a chainsaw. I may have to upgrade to a full face mask because I've already taken some very big chunks of wood right in the safety glasses HARD at least a dozen times, no doubt cornea-destroying events without the Z95s. So far only a couple to the cheeks, but it's only a matter of time until one hits me in the teeth or adam's apple. What scares me the most is the unconventional use of the saw for plunge cuts, rips, and planing....and the electric saw has such a slow wind-down that releasing the trigger in an emergency won't save getting cut. I just have to be 100% paying attention and anticipating dangerous situations as much as possible.

I was going to get one of those chainsaw chain-on-a-wheel grinder wheels (the name brand one) for my DeWilt electric angle grinder for shaping notches but the thing scares the hell out of me. I can do just fine with a big gouge and mallet, do cleaner work, and be in total control.
 

Pistolero

Well-Known Member
OK, good to hear that the saw stop technology really works. I can't imagine why anyone would complain
about it. Again, a friend of my wife, who retired from the engineering company and opened a custom
woodworking shop as a fun retirement job managed to cut off half of a hand on a table saw. I had a nice
tour of his really nice shop when he retired, and was very saddened at his accident. It helped me focus
more on table saw safety. If I was using the table saw all the time, I'd have to get one of the autostop
ones. As it is, I have enough fear that I think I am going to be able to stay safe. But only a moment's
carelessness....
Ian, it sounds like a heavy duty face guard should be in your shopping cart. I have one that I use
in certain grinding operations, as much to protect my prescription glasses as anything, but it does
protect your face, too.

Bill
 
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Ian

Notorious member
I have several but haven't been using them for this yet. Need some fresh ones anyway.