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Pistolero

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So, THAT"S how you make a "paint job" last for 70 years! Amazing. Too bad you probably can't get
anything like that in siding today. I wonder about radio and TV reception inside a steel box.

Bill
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
The difference between being under an open pole barn type structure and in a home/building with a properly applied steel roof in a hail storm is night and day. Stand under a pole barn with a shingle roof and you can hear the hail hit too, and every strike is pooping some aggregate off the shingle. I'd like to actually meet someone that got a roof replaced that was 20, 30, 50 years old. I've heard a lot of sob stories about the people getting shafted on that, but I've never met anyone that got a 100% replacement plus labor. Never!
 
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Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
So, THAT"S how you make a "paint job" last for 70 years! Amazing. Too bad you probably can't get
anything like that in siding today. I wonder about radio and TV reception inside a steel box.

Bill

Bill, you can probably get a powder coated premium steel siding/roofing. I know my neighbor who worked for one of the big roofing companies up here said they have commercial roofing that will never fade and is had to even dent with a common 16oz hammer. He made me a chute for a gutter cleaner out of cut offs, it's incredible stuff and looks like stainless 10 years later. Way different than common "Galvalume" type stuff, but also much more expensive. The cost was nothing though compared to the soldered seam, standing seam copper roofing they do. That stuff has a life expectancy measured in hundreds of years.
 

Ian

Notorious member
The house I grew up in had a galvanized, corrugated steel roof and it is as good today as when installed in 1971. Sometime in the early '90s we replaced all the lead-head nails with washer-head screws and in a few places had to replace the lathe because water rotted out the wood around the nail shanks.

My house has corrugated Galvalume. The Galvalume is much softer and more pliable than the modern paper-thin steel and is a lot easier to cut, shear, and start screws in. It also resists hail very well and will never rust in my climate. Basically it will last hundreds of years with no maintenance. Yes it's loud in a hail storm even with the underlayment, decking, and insulation, but hail is loud on anything. I love the sound of rain on a tin roof, so much so that I recorded the sound inside my garage (where there's less insulation) to play back on my phone for nights that I can't sleep, but alas the same sound gives my wife intense anxiety so there went that plan.

Asphalt shingles are like styrofoam coffee cups, a cheap expedient with limited lifespan and a huge disposal problem. Just like Formica countertops and fake brick linoleum, asphalt shingles will always look to me like a cheap imitation of something else.

Standing-seam copper roofing is the ultimate roof, except it gets beat up in hail. Just dents, though, and once it gets a turquoise patina it's hard to see them. Problem is it takes about four centuries to get that patina unless you're in acid rain country.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Ian, I've been using a "sleep machine" for years. I actually had to repalce my original when I left it at a motel. Took about 20 minutes on Ebay to find a duplicate. My sleep noise is the "white noise" because there's no repetition. Tried the "rain on a roof", 'Ocean waves", "trees rustling in the wind". etc and they all have a pattern. That pattern keeps me wide awake. Next best thing is a fan in the room, but that covers noises too much and I like hearing when my kids get up to hit the bathroom or when a dog makes an unusual (skunk, horses loose, prowler) noise. Works for me.

Had a little set to with the neighbor from hell....I mean NJ. Don't think he'll be back. Stupid of him to drive into my yard in the first place. Stupider to pick a day I wasn't feeling all warm and fuzzy towards the morons of the world!
 

Ian

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Heavy steel automatic gates and magnetic locks are real good for keeping morons out. Neighbors need to talk? The good ones have my phone number and the rest can leave a note in the little box I put out for the purpose.
 

Pistolero

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I think comparing 20-30 year shingles to a styrofoam cup is pretty ridiculous.
I'm going to leave it at that.
 

fiver

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I don't think it was a direct comparison, more like the problems at some point are gonna be similar at the disposal end of things.
 

Ian

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The implication was the styrofoam coffee cup compared to a durable mug. Or tar shingles to a permanent roofing solution. Look, in 30 years I'll be 74 and in no shape to be replacing a stupid roof, so temorary chit's not gonna happen. Besides, I'm the chief contractor, engineer, architect, and laborer on this project and the plan calls for dirt, rocks, and native grass, ok? :)

I did make a concession to the seismic-prone and bedded the pillar stones to each other with structural mortar so y'all can sleep better at night. You're welcome ;)

Now I'm wearing out the internetz trying to find a large, shallow gouge with either a compound curve or a long handle so I can scribe the bottom of each log in one pass rather than making a "W" pass with a chainsaw (four full-length passes, again, no thanks). I have one that's pretty close but it's a little shorter than I'd prefer. Looks like I'll have to forge, grind, and temper one to my liking out of a leaf spring. Sighhhhh....
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
Heavy steel automatic gates and magnetic locks are real good for keeping morons out. Neighbors need to talk? The good ones have my phone number and the rest can leave a note in the little box I put out for the purpose.

To a certain point. My drive is gated and locked. House is at least 100 yards from the gate. This past Saturday evening, three camo clad lawmen with a bloodhound came through my backyard. I went out and spoke with them. Looking for this suspect:

https://www.ktlo.com/2019/07/22/tilley-added-to-sheriffs-most-wanted-list/

He was seen entering my property (57 acres). I don't have many neighbors. Can only see one other house, and only when the leaves are down in the Winter. Vast tracts of acreage adjacent to mine. Law enforcement had spotted the cameras on my detached garage and house. Asked if they were operable and if we would check them. Cindy did, but suspect apparently, hadn't come down that far. Deputies figured he paralleled the highway.

Suspect still at large,as of this AM.

Happens quite frequently, around this area. Most of it is drug related.
 

Ian

Notorious member
Sheesh, not fun. You'd need an electrified cyclone fence to keep THAT kind of moron out.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
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Bet your area has a significant incidence of meth and opiate abuse. Low income, rural, and white just screams meth and opiates.
 

Rick

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Actually while the majority of crime in this area is drug related it's not all that bad. But . . . Keep in mind I make the comparison between here and CA. Plus while there is of course low income in the area there is a lot of money here as evidenced by a town of 12,000 that has something like 27 banks. My bank alone has four branches here. :rolleyes:
 

smokeywolf

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Was kind of startling. I was talking to John on the phone when I heard him exclaim, (paraphrasing) "who the **** is that?" Couple more choice words, then heard him speaking with deputies.
 

fiver

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Now I'm wearing out the internetz trying to find a large, shallow gouge with either a compound curve or a long handle so I can scribe the bottom of each log in one pass rather than making a "W" pass with a chainsaw (four full-length passes, again, no thanks). I have one that's pretty close but it's a little shorter than I'd prefer. Looks like I'll have to forge, grind, and temper one to my liking out of a leaf spring. Sighhhhh....


now your getting into the eff it i'll buy some rail road ties area.
just a warning if your planning on spiking the logs together, the 'new' [as in chinamart] spikes are not steel and you'll end up pre-drilling the holes to get the spike in.
found that out when I built the little RR-Tie wall and had the wife go down and pick me some more 12" spikes up.
 

Winelover

North Central Arkansas
:headscratch: When I worked track maintenance in the early 70's, RR spikes weren't nowhere near, 12" long.............maybe 8"12014.jpg

Swinging a spike maul has a steep learning curve. You need to bend your knees, on the downswing. More so, if your tall........that's why Chinese and Mexicans find it so much easier.
 

Ian

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He said RR ties, because square and dimensionally similar, no scribing required, just butt-and-pass, cut to length, done. Spikes for logs were a different topic. I have a bucket full of hot-dipped twisted square log spikes a friend gave me about 20 years ago, leftover from a big cabin kit.
 

fiver

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I say spikes because of the length and diameter.
rail road spikes are too short to go through a tie and into another one.

I had a Gig in high school [summers] taking up and replacing track/ties during the week,, and one working at the fair grounds flea market on the weekends all year long.
I was working out west of Salt Lake City most of the way to Wendover Nevada around the south side of the great salt lake.
I learned what hot and salt plain was pretty quick.
the day was broken up by doing 2 ties,,,, 2 then break, 2 then lunch, 2 then break, do 1 more and go back to the shop to collect the check for the day [yep, paid daily]
 

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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Makes one appreciate the railroad gangs who graded and laid the trans-continental railroad, all the more.