Don't know how many of you remember the famous "guru" on the "other" forum saying you couldn't get any of the old military rifles shooting jacketed less then an inch with just using a scope on it, but I was testing my 1909 with Hornady's 174 grain boat tail spitzers. I tried RL15, IMR 4064, and A4350. Cut to the chase she shoots a 1/2 inch five shot group at 100 yards. The other two aren't far behind it. So I reckon that blows that myth away. BTW the barrel on my 1909 is excellent with a .311 groove. The tightest one I've ever seen. I have an el cheapo Walmart Tasco 3x9 on it LOL.