Shotshells for Handgun Cartridges

[358156 hp]

Then try CWs round ball trick. Now if you could figure out a way to bake shot into an appropriate sized cylinder, held together with powder coat, you might have something. Kind of along the same lines as the original Mag-Safe bullets without the jacket. Perhaps epoxy would work better. You could mix it all together and form actual bullets in moulds. Then try shooting them to see if the rifling will break them back down into loose shot.

Honest folks, I haven't been drinking or nothin'.

 

[Ian]

Then try CWs round ball trick. Now if you could figure out a way to bake shot into an appropriate sized cylinder, held together with powder coat, you might have something. Kind of along the same lines as the original Mag-Safe bullets without the jacket. Perhaps epoxy would work better. You could mix it all together and form actual bullets in moulds. Then try shooting them to see if the rifling will break them back down into loose shot.

Honest folks, I haven't been drinking or nothin'.

Actually, that's so crazy it just might work. I'd start with fiberglass resin because it is extremely brittle and shatters like glass when deformed. Put a card wad under it so it all gets squeegeed out of the barrel and the gas can actually push on it.

As for not being able to roll-crimp, that's not entirely accurate. As long as you don't make the mouth smaller than the end of the chamber, it will still headspace. Most taper crimp dies will put enough crimp on there to more than hold a gas check in place, so no worries there. If a gas check is used to cap it off I'd sure use one under the shot too because it will take some pressure to pop the crimp and that pressure might shred a card wad under the shot, causing the gas check to turn sideways instead of moving whole column into the bore as a unit.

 

[fiver]

a copper check on top will mess with the pattern.
go with some thin softer card stock.

this is gonna be the oddest suggestion of the thread. [and it's just an idea]
but if you want a solid mass that breaks up i'd try some dampish cream of wheat.
it should form a solid mass and hold the shot if it's pre-molded and slid into the case.
the acceleration force should break most of it up.
enough acceleration force to operate the gun.
you'll have to play with acceleration versus breakup and pattern.

 

[RBHarter]

Headspace is why I suggested starting with a x39 or 6.8 SPC and cutting it at max COAL . Then form a faux shoulder to HS on . Use data for a 200 gr 40 and you should be in the neighborhood for anything under a half oz . No idea what dia a 36ga is but my full choked 410 is only .386 at the muzzle an it would be slightly smaller . Ballistic Products Inc has components . I never looked for pistol shot shell parts there .

40 Smith , 10mm , 25/30/32 Rem , 6.8 SPC share a rim .
Carcano , 35 Rem , x39 share rim dia and should be Bulge Buster close on a fat chamber .

If I stumble over some 35 Rem I'm going to see it it'll make 7-30 more rimless vs the way more expensive 30 Rem .

I would use maybe even a 357 Sig FCD to finish the case mouth if just the sizer didn't do enough . Outside the box a little the cartridge only has to be able be loaded in a mag and fit out the slide port after firing after that OAL can be as long as the longest bullet seating that will feed . "We" shot millions of shot shells with wads only slightly more complicated than a heavy waxed fiber board , plug of wool felt , and a note book cover plug . It doesn't seal for beans in modern terms but it worked fine until sometime in the late 50s .

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

Hawk, dont get all hung ip on the HS on the mouth stuff!!

We aint making match ammo here and we aint taking many shots needed or used!!!!!

We know and have proven for decades that the extractor will hold the case just fine. Its been delved into ad infinateium that the extractor plays a major role in HS!!

But lets not re hash that. Can we just play along that the very limited use you will have crimping those few 10mm will overcome many of the issues here.

Its gonna be fine OR THE CARTRIDGE simply WONT GO OFF. (But it will just fine)

This isnt dangerous stuff here on the very limited use we are speaking makes it even less of a worry!

CW

 

[Rick H]

some dampish cream of wheat.

Fiver, you want to kill the snakes or feed them?

 

[popper]

IIRC you can shoot 40sw in 10mm. So the stronger spring will totally prevent cycle and then you just rack the slide (single shot mag fed). In 40 you have to clear the stovepipe which takes extra time.
Side question. Daughter got some funds from Mom, looking for timber land in east TX, couple hrs north (east) from Houston. Anyone with experience? Seems like the commercial just grow loblolly pine.

 

[fiver]

well I'm sure the shot distributed within the COW will kill them just fine.

maybe the smell of toasted COW will draw a few pigs in too?

 

[358156 hp]

Starline has 10mm Magnum brass in stock. Neck it down slightly with a 357 SIG sizing die to create a false case mouth for headspacing. In the olden days, exhibition shooters shot clay or wooden bullets loaded with shot to break aerial targets. I've also heard of paper mache being used as a binder as well.

 

[Mitty38]

I'm just wondering if a fella could. Make a fake bullet loaded with shot out of lexan. You know the stuff they custom mould slot car bodies. Melting over a clay mould with a hair dryer.
Like melting that over an slightly undersized bullet? Should be brittle enough to break apart going down the barrel but tough enough to chamber.
I think that may even be the material that CCI uses for pellet pills. You could fill them with shot glue your wad into the bottom of the plastic shot filled bullet?
Probably a stupid Idea, would probably be impossible.

 

[Hawk]

358156hp
I think that's how they make the 40 S&W shot shells.
Starline does have 10MM Mag brass, but at $138.00 per 500, it's a little out of my price range and I would only need about 10-15 pieces.

CWLONGSHOT
I agree that the head space is probably not an issue and the ejector would probably let it work, but the OCD in me just has to have it right.
Not worried so much about the cartridge firing or not. More worried about it not chambering correctly, jumping the ejector or not ejecting cleanly and jamming, if I need to chamber a defensive round.

I might just try a couple of pieces of beer cardboard as an over powder wad and a couple of pieces as an overshot wad.
I'll flare the mouth of a 40 S&W, sharpen it and use that to cut the cardboard wads (10MM brass is too expensive to sacrifice to cut wads).
Hopefully it will be large enough in dia. that it will hold under some jostling.

I've never had to defend myself from a hog, but it only take once to get tore up while 150 yards from the truck and bleed to death before anyone can get to you.

Maybe I'm just being overly concerned in my old age...

 

[david s]

At the turn of the 19th century they used thin hollow wooden bullets filled with shot for some pistol loads.

 

[Dusty Bannister]

Instead of the cream of wheat consider plain old canning wax. Size, prime and charge with the powder of your choice, install a card wad and measure the remaining distance to the case mouth. Use some fired cases as a mold and build up the inside with card wads to be slightly more than the prepared case. Lightly wipe the inside of the case with a release agent. Mix candle wax and shot and pack that in the case until nearly level with the case mouth. When cool and firm, use the impact bullet remover to encourage the release of the resulting slug. Insert that in the prepared case, top with a beeswax wad firmly pressed in place and taper crimp the loaded round. This will result in a frangible bullet, no metal gas check bouncing around, and might have a tight pattern unless you exceed the strength of the "slug".

As long as one keeps the loaded rounds out of the sunlight, oil migration should be minimal.

 

[Hawk]

Okay, I figure 110 to 115 grains of No. 12 shot. Maybe less.
I've got Red Dot, Green Dot, Unique, W231, BE86 and all kinds of other powder.
I figure, since I'm using an over powder wad, I want to use a big flake powder, like Red Dot.
Hornady says 7.1 gr. of W231 (faster than Red Dot) with a 165 gr. bullet. I don't want nearly that much.
What do you guys think, about 4.0 gr. of Red Dot?
I don't think I can chrono the load. Don't want to chance my sky screens.

 

[Ian]

4 of RD sounds fine to me. I use 4 of Universal for my .38 SPL loads. Shoot a gallon plastic milk jug (HDPE plastic). If the pellets penetrate the plastic it will penetrate snake skin/skull.

 

[CZ93X62]

I love the 10mm, don't get me wrong. It's a great caliber. But in snake country (every square inch of land within a 200 mile radius of my home), it's a 357 revolver in my holster. First two rounds are CCI 38 snakers. I have yet to shoot one with the wheelgun, but it might happen eventually. Shotguns are far better tools, as are road flares on a PVC pipe. I genuinely strive to NOT kill rattlers, unless absolutely necessary. They seem like kind of a useless creature, when we have all manner of non-venomous snakes that do fine work on small ratty vermin. But I digress.

 

[popper]

OK, 40sw CCI shot shell. ~29mm long aluminum case, ~1mm thick clear plastic top wad ( serrated?) with ~#8 shot. Shouldered where the top wad is, then swaged ogive on top. Wad appears to be glued in just about 10mm shoulder location. Case mouth splits when fired. I'd be tempted to use unique but don't know how it works compressed. Not sure a no-ogive load would chamber from the mag - basically single shot.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

A 410 is head and shoulders better snake shooter then any hand gun caliber.

Have ya thought about a different gun?

Either a Revolver or a Derringer.

Cw

 

[Hawk]

Yep, single shot, no doubt about that. And it wont cycle the action.

I'm nervous regarding the 40 S&W shot shell. Having said that, I might try a few, just for function and reliability and also, I will have to dissect one, just for fun.

I have everything you could ask for in revolvers from .22 LR up to 454 Casull. I just like having 15 rounds of basically a .41 Mag on my hip and it carries easier than a revolver.

I've got El Paso Saddlery's Allegiance and Street Combat (my favorite) holsters that fits all of my larger Glocks. You hardly know they are there.

And, I like tinkering around with stuff, trying to solve problems that may or not exist, with the help of a few friends with unlimited imaginations!
That, most of all, is why we're all here.

 

[Ian]

Around here where we don't have dirt, handgun shotshells are mostly just fluff. Shoot the rocks just on the near side of the snake and blast the snake to pieces with the shrapnel.

I've broken clays from stations six and seven on the skeet range with my homemade .45 Colt revolver shot shells. Just sayin'.