Simple Lube!

[JWFilips]

Since the research was done awhile ago I'm sure the automotive market place has many new types of oils etc.I did a search & it is a bit overwelming.
What are a few brand names that I can look for now to know I'm getting the proper type of 2 stoke oil for simple lube?
I believe Dextron is still dextron as far as the ATF goes ( or is it dexron II now?)

 

[Brad]

For 2 stroke oil just buy something cheap. Looking at the recipe as posted by 35 Shooter it says no synthetic. The synthetic stuff will be pricier. A full synthetic wouldn't be bad to try but I would use a bit less as some are more "lubey" than the non-synthetics.
I just go and buy a bottle of store brand ATF. I don't even look at the numbers or other designations. Like I said, I'm no wrench monkey so to me ATF is ATF.

I have used ATF alone as a bore solvent. It works pretty well on getting crud out and doesn't leave a nice oil film behind. Not the best ever but it works. Would be good following BR as it would leave a very lube friendly film behind.

 

[JWFilips]

For 2 stroke oil just buy something cheap. Looking at the recipe as posted by 35 Shooter it says no synthetic. The synthetic stuff will be pricier. A full synthetic wouldn't be bad to try but I would use a bit less as some are more "lubey" than the non-synthetics.
I just go and buy a bottle of store brand ATF. I don't even look at the numbers or other designations. Like I said, I'm no wrench monkey so to me ATF is ATF.

I have a Pop top can of early 90's era Echo 2 stoke oil I bet that would be ok.

I have used ATF alone as a bore solvent. It works pretty well on getting crud out and doesn't leave a nice oil film behind. Not the best ever but it works. Would be good following BR as it would leave a very lube friendly film behind.

I know you guys were recommended an atf patch after BR I'm up to about 275 round down my 243 now without cleaning. Still is holding zero A cold barrel gets my first 2 shots high then everything settles down. So getting some ATF will serve multiple purposes

 

[fiver]

that echo stuff will do just fine.
I have been buying 8 oz bottles of 2 strokeoil at the dollar store for about $1.75.

dexron atf is the most common but the old type F [that ford used] works just as well.
the amount of friction additive in it won't amount to a hill of beans in the lube recipe.

use what you got in the garage to make simple lube you can always modify it to suit your conditions with whatever else you have on hand [lanolin/bag balm/ shoe polish/Crisco no salt of course]
I would bet a little bit of v/o-5 hair conditioner wouldn't hurt. ......
okay that one might be...... well I do know one or two people that use it for case sizing and some light swaging. [seriously]

 

[Josh]

What would coconut oil bring to the table in the simple lube?

 

[fiver]

more slick-um.

when dealing with a lube if you think of the components as a carrier a modifier or an oil it breaks the parts down for you.
sometimes a modifier is an oil and sometimes a carrier can be a modifier too.
you have to look at how/when a wax flows under pressure or heat.
a modifier can make a wax smoother or flow sooner or lower the melt point.
an oil can have a base that works with some waxes to soften them [mineral oil based oil with a paraffin wax]

confused yet?
by breaking each component down to it's base and comparing it to what else is in the lube you can make good estimate of what adding it will do.
making a small test lump of the lube and trying it will show you.

 

[Ian]

Ya, seriously.

 

[Brad]

Is that the tube you bought after your last haircut?

 

[Ian]

Nah, keep it around to maintain the Jheri Curl. Got it at that place you work, well, different store. I get funny looks from the old ladies when I stalk the cosmetics department in my mechanic duds looking for lube ingredients. A blob of V05 mixed with an equal blob of lanolin and worked into the lube pad with a knife makes a dandy case lube. So does a liquid concoction of alcohol, castor oil, and lanolin....that's what lives in the limited slip additive bottle.

Coconut fat is better used in BP lube in my opinion.

 

[Brad]

I was taught to lube cases with a pad like that soaked in STP. Works quite well but leaves a sticky residue on cases I detest.
I avoid the cosmetics dept at all costs. I try to avoid the "cause and effect" aisle too but get drug into it to answer questions at times.

 

[Ben]

Ya, seriously.

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Ian,

Something is bad wrong here.
I can see the wood on your reloading bench !

Yep, something is wrong here.

 

[Brad]

Ben, I would show a photo of my bench but I can't find it under all the crap.

I think Ian keeps stuff pretty organized compared to most. I most assuredly do not.

 

[Rick]

No wood on my bench to see, it's rubber.

 

[JWFilips]

I Also found some ATF......... it is Marked "Use in older cars that take Dextron III or Mercon" Sound like this will work?

 

[fiver]

perfectly..
older cars? I thought mercon III was the new stuff?

 

[Ian]

Mercon V has been out for nearly fifteen years, and Mercon SP almost as long. Dexron is up to version VI, then there's Dexos and Allison TranSynd. Don't get me started on the imports. GM quit caring about who makes Dexron III a few years ago, there was some official word out that GM wasn't requiring anyone who made it to go through a certification process, so it's sort of "Scout's Honor" as to what's really in the bottle labeled "Dexron III". The trend with all ATF is to go thinner and thinner with each subsequent standard, some of the ATF's are zero weight now. Dexron VI is about 5 weight, compared to Dexron II which was about an SAE 10.

 

[Pistolero]

Gas mileage. My bet is an honest GM lube engineer would tell you "We don't give a
rat's butt if the tranny lasts 105,000 miles and craps out (with 100,000 K warranty),
but it HAS TO make the gas mileage numbers the Feds are flogging on us."

Current Accord takes 0W-20 engine oil. . . . . now that is THIN stuff. Gets great
gas mileage.