Small charges / Big blow - ups.

[Elkins45]

Elkins45

If I have generalized too much, I apologize.
However , I have zero doubt that there are large numbers of novice reloaders that display the characteristics that I've mentioned.

Ben

Yes there are, and the Internet gives them all a place to congregate where all their stupid comments are archived forever. But I’d be willing to bet that if all the previous stupid comments could somehow be retrieved from the all the gun shops and shooting ranges they would be just as bad or worse than what we see on the Internet today.

Today’s novice reloaders have far more access to reliable information than they did back when we started reloading. I know a lot of guys our age who are just as misinformed as the young guys, with the only difference being that the old guys KNOW they are right.

 

[Elkins45]

There no doubt is some truth in that statement but there is a lot of truth in what Ben actually did say. After that statement you go on talking about blowing up guns and the truth is Ben never mentioned blowing up guns or any other type of accident. His post was about the instant gratification demands of the younger generation and in that is much truth.

Are there exceptions to this among todays youth? Of course, there are exceptions to any group of people, nothing is 100% but today the most common encounter isn't the exception it's give me the answer I want & don't expect me to do anything for it. The instant gratification generation.
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Yes, but the thread is about preventing double charges. I tried to tie it all together.

Everyone expects instant access to information these days, old or young. We’ve gotten used to it. When is the last time you drove to the library and checked out a book?

 

[RicinYakima]

"When is the last time you drove to the library and checked out a book?"

My library only has modern fiction and self-help manuals. Everything else is electronic. (Great place to check out movies, though.) I just by used books on EBay and Amazon.

 

[freebullet]

Everyone expects instant access to information these days, old or young.

Absolute truth right there!

The last fella I helped get started was 60+ & just retired. He thought the lnl ap was going to be great. He didn't do so well with it. Have to repeat the same things numerous times before he can remember just part of it. In general older folks are in a bigger hurry & take more repetition to get it ime.

The last younger buck I helped start out needed the explanations reworded a couple times, but then he'd remember it.

Being one of the younger bucks(or as Paul put it "still a puppy") here, I simply ignore the crotchety old vs young comments & learn what I can from all.

I'm glad we have a good cross section here age wise.

 

[Rcmaveric]

Accidents and Murphy's law are indiscriminate. Complacency, ignorance, and knowledge are all as equally dangerous. Its the wisdom aspect that makes us safe and causes us to pass on those lessons learned. Not everyone has a teacher or neighbor that can mentor them. Not everyone actually knows how to accurately ask a question. These sites and forums are means to collaborate, share knowledge, and mentor. The only dumb question is the one never asked.

 

[Bret4207]

Agree w you about quality of Ken Waters 20+ year old book. How many powders have been introduced in the last twenty years? How many have been discontinued? Are there still shortages/out of stock conditions of any powders? I don't know the answer to those questions.

I think in the vast majority of cases we'll find powders Ken used still available. He tended to use a variety of different powders in his testing. No, we're not going to find some ancient Raffin and Land powder down at that local "Shop and Shoot", but most of it is still around, or a decent replacement. The thing is it gives you a start from a guy who knew his stuff and was pretty conservative in pushing things.

What worries me is that there are internet sources that are taken as gospel when for all anyone knows they've never loaded a case in their life and are picking numbers out of thin air!

 

[Bret4207]

I can tell you this much about the noobs out there. If it's on You Tube or a classy looking website, it's taken as gospel. I've found this to be near 100% true for most people who haven't got at least a little experience in whatever it is they are pursuing, be it reloading, casting, appliance repair, investing in stocks, woodworking, cooking and of course farming and rearing/using livestock . It's not that all the info is wrong, it's that people don't research much at all. One or two opinions/methods and they assume they've got it all. I've seen this over and over and over with everyone from my kids and family to acquaintances young and old, myself included in some cases. I think it's kind of human nature to assume that if we see a couple of people successfully doing something that that method will simply work for everyone else, everywhere else. Just because 2 or 3 people get away with something that's done wrong, dangerously or that damages something unseen from our vantage point doesn't make it right. If I had a dollar for every time someone gave the advice of testing an auto/tractor ALTERNATOR by pulling the hot wire off the battery (almost assured to blow out the alternator, but can be done with old style generators) I could go buy a new gun. (My neighbor across the road still does thiat least twice a year and I fix the alts for about $12.00 and stick them on my tractors.) Works the same way with reloading and casting. I'm pretty sure many here are familiar with my psychotic rants against the term "HARDCAST". Well, find me any internet source on casting that doesn't use that term like it actually meant something that was standardized and I'll buy you lunch. That's one example in a million of why noobs need to do the leg work, no matter what our modern instant gratification expectations are. The good thing is that we had to beg, borrow or buy a book by Elmer, Phil, JR Mattern or subscribe to 5 or 6 gun rags for years to get the info they can get in a few days. It ain't all bad.

 

[Intheshop]

Ben,there's a wooden block that lives in the top of my Kennedy machinist upper. Nothing fancy on the block but,quite the opposite on what's stuck into all the drilled holes.Prolly a cpl hundred $ worth of Starrett punches,several sets of tweezers/forsips,etc,etc.

There's also 3 different diameter pcs of drill rod.They are,and have been,used as in your OP.The only difference is I use a black sharpie mark(wipes off with acetone).Handgun rounds get the flaslight.There are some very slight bennies on the drill rod check.....since 90% of my rifle loads are dacron filled,letting the weight of the rod gently down on the powder column a cpl times helps.Then do the fill.

 

[Intheshop]

Bret,good one on the alternators.

"No pics,didn't happen"......back when I was hanging on woodpecker forums.Did a writeup on an XY panel saw.It utilizes(in our shop)a very nice custom,library'ish 8' high,10' long storage unit as the matrix for this panel saw.It has been a God send on material handling,busting whole sheets down then sending the pcs to one of 4 table saws.

The best part is it's practically ZERO floorspace.Anyway,because folks have lost reading comprehension,I guess?.....it was posted that...."No pics" thing.Just seems funny.