smelting range scrap

larry7293

New Member
My first time salvaging range scrap. I have about 28lbs of lead to smelt. My plan was to pour the lead into 1 lb ingots and cast the bullets latter- win38-55. The scrap is a mix of jacketed and cast lead bullets. Will it be okay to cast bullets with this or will I need to add tin?
Should I smelt the scrap in my Lee bottom pour pot or use a separate pot?
thanks
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
First off, keep collecting range scrap.

Melt it in a separate pot! Don’t contaminate your pot with the dirt and crud. Flux it well with sawdust and wax, stir a bunch to bring dirt to the surface.

Range scrap makes fine bullets. For a 38-55 it should be good to go as is. I use range scrap as my primary alloy and almost never add tin. I have me,Ted down over a ton of the stuff and have probably 1200 pounds waiting to be melted.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Week of Aug 24 is best. I have the week off and we have lots of work to do at Paul’s.
Don’t worry about guns or ammo, we got you covered.
 

Ole_270

Well-Known Member
Gee, takes me 2 hours to dig 30 lbs on the small country range I go to. Still, have recovered somewhere around 500 lbs in the last couple years. Mine is mostly jacketed pistol with a few cast mixed in. Has been xray tested averaging .4 Sn, 1.5 Sb.
 

358156 hp

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First off, keep collecting range scrap.

Melt it in a separate pot! Don’t contaminate your pot with the dirt and crud. Flux it well with sawdust and wax, stir a bunch to bring dirt to the surface.

Range scrap makes fine bullets. For a 38-55 it should be good to go as is. I use range scrap as my primary alloy and almost never add tin. I have me,Ted down over a ton of the stuff and have probably 1200 pounds waiting to be melted.

All true. I just visited Brad & Dawn today and I wouldn't be surprised if he also has that much ready to use as well.
 

DC1972

New Member
I collect range scrap from our indoor range. It has everything in it, I mean EVERYTHING. A few things I recommend after melting several hundred pounds of the stuff.

1. Use a separate melting pot. I tried my Lee pot years ago the first time and it worked fine, really slow and harder to stir. Not worth the mess.
2. Wear at least a mask. I have had lung issues in the past so I wear a respirator during the entire process, dust and fumes, it is all nasty
3. Put a fan blowing over your pot. Yes, it will cool your pot down but range scrap, at least from an indoor range, has so much foreign stuff in it that needs to be burned off. I don't like breathing any of it.
4. I double flux with pine saw dust and wax. The one thing I "think" happens with indoor range scrap is there is so much foreign stuff it acts like a flux itself. My ingots are really clean before I flux. That's all I can think of
5. Either use different molds - one for COWW, Soft Lead, Range Lead or mark them. I have labeled everything in the past but think going forward I am going to use my Lyman ingot molds for Range scrap and my cast muffins for COWW. Then I don't have to label, I will know by looking.

As far as hardness, I don't worry about it. I shoot 158 Grain SWC in 38/357 and PC them all. Never a problem. Best of luck
 

Walks

Well-Known Member
DC1792,
#5, I learned from My Dad. Different ingot molds for different alloys.
Ohaus - Linotype
Lyman - #2
Saeco - 20/1
RCBS - COWW
Lee - Pure Lead
1/2 lb Lee - FoundryType or Tin, I mark the end of each little ingot with paint. Black for Foundry, Red for Tin.
Lodge triangle's - Range Scrap (Scone pan)
Blank (RCBS) unknown
A Saeco Lead Hardness Tester comes in handy with the unknown stuff and range scrap.

Geez !!??
This sure looks confusing. Glad I wrote in down in the front cover of each reloading manual.

Before blending alloy I weigh a bunch of ingots and compute the weight to get the correct ratio. Pain in the behind, but I get consistency.

The fan and respirator are a must.

Collected ingot molds for 50yrs.
 
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DC1972

New Member
Walks

You are way more precise than I am. Good for you listening and following your father's example.

I do mix COWW with Range and some soft lead. The ingots are all the same size so that helps but in the end, for me it is all a guess. I would like to come across some Linotype someday just to see how that works out. I get nice fill and even when I was using 45/45/10 I didn't have any leading. The targets don't seem to mind what hits them and my guns don't complain either!
 
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Walks

Well-Known Member
I still have some Linotype.
40+yrs ago it was still less then 50 cents a pound. I grew up casting it for Auto-Loading handguns. It was believed that a soft bullet hitting the ramp in feeding would hang up. And that's the way it worked with Lugers.
Pure Lead was 18cents a pound. 50/50 bar solder & tin was cheap. WW were a six-pack for a 5 gal bucket that had to be drug over to the car and dumped into an old piece of "oilcloth" on the front floor boards. 150lbs, all good stuff. No zinc or stick-on to worry about.
 

larry7293

New Member
Gee, takes me 2 hours to dig 30 lbs on the small country range I go to. Still, have recovered somewhere around 500 lbs in the last couple years. Mine is mostly jacketed pistol with a few cast mixed in. Has been xray tested averaging .4 Sn, 1.5 Sb.
How well did your boolits cast with so little tin?
 

HM8485

New Member
I have had good luck with range scrap in my black powder firearms and modern pistols, rifles, and muskets. I seems to have a higher working temperature than pure lead, but is really pretty soft. No need to add tin, but with the prices for Sn and SB, I use it as is. I got about 30 pounds of scap from my backstop in the back yard. I taught 4 of my yuppie friends critical of our kind of people until the crime rate where they lived started to go up in their well to do suburb. I asked if they would like to start with (evil) handguns like the cowboys in movies, or a reproduction Musket from the 18th century. They replied, when can we come. They were hooked after firing a "Remington 1858" and my Brown Bess. The initial sessions were mostly safety, safety, and then supervised shooting. All were NRA members within a month. BP was a bit much for them after the first session that I asked them to help clean up, and we moved on to smokeless. Being "DINKS" (double income/no kids) they had more money than I and each got a carry permit, and bought almost as many guns as I owned (30 years of saving). They moved on and after that I mined the backstop. I did research into effects of organic lead in paints common in old buildings in the inner city on child brain and behavioral development in the late 70's and became somewhat of an expert. Please wear a lead (Pb-rated respirator even if you have a good fan system when you are melting and casting pure lead and especially range scrap. Scrap contains other metals as hardening agents like antimony (Sb) Any really old bullets may have trace amounts of arsenic (AS). Metal fumes are the fastest way to get significant poisoning. Keep your hands out of your mouth, and kids away. The younger they are the more vulnerable. Like the rest of the body brain isn't fully mature until the early to mid-20's. Of course we all know that it is all down hill after 25! We are proud of our safety records as hunters and marksmen, extend that! Soon after my data were published the tree-huggers petitioned the EPA to ban lead bullets as a "significant new use of a known environmental toxin." Lucky, our president at the time was Ronald Reagan.
 

Walks

Well-Known Member
For the past 12yrs plus I have my lead levels checked as part of my annual Physical.
I cast outdoors on My patio with an oscillating fan behind me.
Lead levels have always been within normal limits or even below.
 

HM8485

New Member
Good for you. I forgot it will also kill your kidneys even more quickly. Two windy here in the Midwest, with frequent wind shifts. Wind comes out of the Mississippi and Ohio Valleys. I wouldn't dare trying to cast outside. I use 2 fans and wear an OSHA approved respirator when melting a pig or welding inside my old barn. I quit smoking in 1990 and never take food out to the barn. It is always dirty, but I like living in the country. Been real hot here when it isn't raining. On a warm day in fall winter or spring it sounds like a war around here. This is what I wanted but never had until I was 52!