Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I live in NY, by the time I had the moola saved up the hoops I'd have to jump through might well be beyond my ability!
So might "need" a couple revolvers....
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CWLONGSHOT
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Yes!
Unsure why... Thats the front of the 1858. These are 1875's. The blued gun has no importers name. Just says umberti.
L Ross
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I had a beautiful Uberti Remington 1875, it would bind up shooting black in just 4 shots.Had a Uberti 73 SAA clone that started getting sticky after 5 and bound up before 10. I have a friend with a 73 SAA clone in .45 that can run a box of 50 with full black. I now own a 73 SAA Uberti in .44 wcf that will run at least 30 with Dick Dastardly's "Big Lube" bullet. About 18 with a RCBS 44-200-CM.
L Ross
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I don't lose any sleep over a convicted felon buying a conversion cylinder. I'll bet that is extremely rare. Single actions aren't exactly what a criminal is looking for, especially one as slow to load and reload as they are. More likely to just possess illegally. I sat in court many times listening to the Judge drone on about now as a convicted felon you. may not possess a firearm, and parts of a firearm, etc. Dire consequences, huge fine, 10 years in prison, blah blah blah. Never saw a felon get nailed for having a gun. Always dealt away during the plea bargaining dance with the DA. It's all bullsquat.
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
My son is a Prosecuting Attorney in this state. The "felon with a firearm", five years in after you serve your sentence, is usually plea bargained away. Why? They will plead to drug selling and everything else for seven years, but don't want to do the added five. We have no parole or time off for good behavior in this state, you do it all.
If they fire the gun, or point it at a LE officer, they get 18 years and are going to get the "enhancement" also, plus what ever else they did.
If they fire the gun, or point it at a LE officer, they get 18 years and are going to get the "enhancement" also, plus what ever else they did.
Winelover
North Central Arkansas
Are the modern conversions even, historically correct?Petrol & Powder
Well-Known Member
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
But not everyone can afford a period corrrect, authentic cap & ball revolver from the 1800's and the authentic converstion parts. So, reproductions and modern versions exist.
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Amen.
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I could comment on plea bargains and the why's, if's and but's, however that will invariably lead to politics. So I will leave it at this- a plea bargain is much, much less expensive than a trial and guarantees a conviction for something.
Petrol & Powder
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Plea agreements are tools and like all tools they are neither good nor evil.
Good people can use tools to accomplish good things and bad people can use tools to accomplish bad things.
I have seen plea agreements used by intelligent, ethical people to achieve justice and a good outcome. I’ve seen plea agreements used to pervert justice and further an evil agenda.
The tool is just a tool. It is the person wielding the tool that determines the outcome as good or bad.
Good people can use tools to accomplish good things and bad people can use tools to accomplish bad things.
I have seen plea agreements used by intelligent, ethical people to achieve justice and a good outcome. I’ve seen plea agreements used to pervert justice and further an evil agenda.
The tool is just a tool. It is the person wielding the tool that determines the outcome as good or bad.
RBHarter
West Central AR
Plea deals work fine . You know I don't have a problem with them , I mean there are otherwise good people that find themselves in a place where there just doesn't seem to them like there's another way or they just did something really stupid because it seemed like a good idea at the time ....... A couple of kids hotrodding on a country road out in the boondocks don't need to be in jail for felony off track drag racing when $80 for demonstration of acceleration or something would send the message.
Having touched my life directly, 4 counts ea of endangerment and neglect from 2 arrests plead down disturbing the peace , time served , is patently wrong . More so when 14 years later one of the kids is still so screwed up the only remedy is a boot camp grandparent she/he/they don't know because of life stuff that if charged and convicted would be 5-7 in a federal facility........but we worked past that and it's behind us now . Because he said , she said , no witnesses, word of a battered spouse .
Cops delivered an TRO and said I had to remove all A&A ....... Stupid as I was the victim not the accused . I asked if a ML was a Arm as I had tags the next month.........they couldn't answer that . However unless a state defines an ML as a firearm it isn't and still is a huge noose ...... It would probably hang a body more often than slip them through .
Please regard this as sharing a personal experience and not a political reference beyond variations of state laws observed .
Having touched my life directly, 4 counts ea of endangerment and neglect from 2 arrests plead down disturbing the peace , time served , is patently wrong . More so when 14 years later one of the kids is still so screwed up the only remedy is a boot camp grandparent she/he/they don't know because of life stuff that if charged and convicted would be 5-7 in a federal facility........but we worked past that and it's behind us now . Because he said , she said , no witnesses, word of a battered spouse .
Cops delivered an TRO and said I had to remove all A&A ....... Stupid as I was the victim not the accused . I asked if a ML was a Arm as I had tags the next month.........they couldn't answer that . However unless a state defines an ML as a firearm it isn't and still is a huge noose ...... It would probably hang a body more often than slip them through .
Please regard this as sharing a personal experience and not a political reference beyond variations of state laws observed .
Petrol & Powder
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Most states, including Arlansas, define a firearm as any device designed and manufactured to expel a projectile via explosive means.
2010 Arkansas Code (In Part)
Title 5 - Criminal Offenses
Subtitle 1 - General Provisions
Chapter 1 - General Provisions
§ 5-1-102 - Definitions.
(6) (A) "Firearm" means any device designed, made, or adapted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or any device readily convertible to that use.
2010 Arkansas Code (In Part)
Title 5 - Criminal Offenses
Subtitle 1 - General Provisions
Chapter 1 - General Provisions
§ 5-1-102 - Definitions.
(6) (A) "Firearm" means any device designed, made, or adapted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or any device readily convertible to that use.
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RBHarter
West Central AR
New every day . Only been here a few years.
Of course 15 yr ago the laws were much different in Nevada too .....
A gas/battery driven nailgun then is a firearm ?
Funny how the black and white gets twisted so easily.
Recent experiences suggest that passing over a double yellow on a 2 lane blind turn/dip/crest is preferred to crowding an emergency vehicle by not leaving a full lane width with lights on or stopping traffic until they clear ....... Gotta kind of pick and choose which law you break to comply with the law so you don't break any .....
That would also throw out the pre 1899 clause ...... interesting after some auctions I've seen here . Good times .
Of course 15 yr ago the laws were much different in Nevada too .....
A gas/battery driven nailgun then is a firearm ?
Funny how the black and white gets twisted so easily.
Recent experiences suggest that passing over a double yellow on a 2 lane blind turn/dip/crest is preferred to crowding an emergency vehicle by not leaving a full lane width with lights on or stopping traffic until they clear ....... Gotta kind of pick and choose which law you break to comply with the law so you don't break any .....
That would also throw out the pre 1899 clause ...... interesting after some auctions I've seen here . Good times .
Petrol & Powder
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The 1968 Gun Control Act applies to firearms made after 1898 or later, that traveled in or affected interstate commerce. It does NOT create a definition of a firearm under STATE laws.
Contrary to some popular beliefs, federal law does not “trump” state law. The federal government and the individual state governments both exercise sovereign authority over their respective lands. (the concept of dual sovereignty) So, a person must comply with BOTH federal law AND state Law.
A cap & ball revolver made in the 1880’s may not come under the reach of the 1968 Gun Control Act, but it can still be firearm under most state laws. (it is designed and intended to expel a projectile by explosive means).
If a state prohibits the possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and that state has a definition of a firearm that includes an antique firearm; a convicted felon can be prosecuted for possession of an antique firearm.
Contrary to some popular beliefs, federal law does not “trump” state law. The federal government and the individual state governments both exercise sovereign authority over their respective lands. (the concept of dual sovereignty) So, a person must comply with BOTH federal law AND state Law.
A cap & ball revolver made in the 1880’s may not come under the reach of the 1968 Gun Control Act, but it can still be firearm under most state laws. (it is designed and intended to expel a projectile by explosive means).
If a state prohibits the possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and that state has a definition of a firearm that includes an antique firearm; a convicted felon can be prosecuted for possession of an antique firearm.
Petrol & Powder
Well-Known Member
Nope /\ not designed and manufactured to expel a projectile by explosive means.