so waht ya doin today?
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Ian
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I set out to put fresh fuel in my '77/'83/'88 Chevy Bubba ranch truck this morning and move it out of the way of my Bobcat so I could service it and pull all the wheels to change tires. Well, the new fuel pump I put on it last year wouldn't chooch. After banging on the tank and powering up the priming circuit, it finally started going. Engine cranked fine and ran on ether, but no fuel sprayed out of the injectors. Noid light showed good signal, but one injector was stuck and the other one wasn't getting fuel. Dropped the fuel tank to see what was up with the pump and found what looked like photos of the Titanic wreck inside the tank. 10 months if coastal fuel with Sta-bil rotted everything, pump, basket, wiring, no matter if copper, aluminum, galvanized steel, brass
, or even stainless steel like the strainer fitting. Tank is two years old, started leaking through a pinhole after banging on the bottom with a deadblow mallet.
Since this fuel rots everything not made of plastic or barricade f.i. hose, I gave up and installed a new fuel pump in a 5 gallon bucket, drilling holes through the lid for power and ground wire, pressure hose and return hose, the tied that under the truck. Ripped out all the rotten steel fuel line, tore down the throttle body and cleaned out all the corrosion and trash. Man, I just did this less than a year ago, I hate attrition. Put in two spare fuel injectors, new pressure regulator diaphragm and all new gaskets and seals, put it all together and fired it up, only a three hour delay not counting going to town for parts. Too damn hot and too worn out to mess with breaking down and remounting Bobcat tires, so I did some other sevice work and called it a day about 3:00.
10 months ago that whole basket and pump was brand new. The old basket that I put in the new tank with a new pump, wiring, and strainer two years ago rotted and fell apart, so I replaced it with this whole assembly from Spectra. No, they wouldn't warranty it,
, or even stainless steel like the strainer fitting. Tank is two years old, started leaking through a pinhole after banging on the bottom with a deadblow mallet.
Since this fuel rots everything not made of plastic or barricade f.i. hose, I gave up and installed a new fuel pump in a 5 gallon bucket, drilling holes through the lid for power and ground wire, pressure hose and return hose, the tied that under the truck. Ripped out all the rotten steel fuel line, tore down the throttle body and cleaned out all the corrosion and trash. Man, I just did this less than a year ago, I hate attrition. Put in two spare fuel injectors, new pressure regulator diaphragm and all new gaskets and seals, put it all together and fired it up, only a three hour delay not counting going to town for parts. Too damn hot and too worn out to mess with breaking down and remounting Bobcat tires, so I did some other sevice work and called it a day about 3:00.
10 months ago that whole basket and pump was brand new. The old basket that I put in the new tank with a new pump, wiring, and strainer two years ago rotted and fell apart, so I replaced it with this whole assembly from Spectra. No, they wouldn't warranty it,
Pistolero
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Ian,
I would suggest that for very low mileage - sits most of the time- vehicles when
you are getting this much horror show that fast, consider that purchasing aviation
gasoline and using that. It is pretty expensive, but if you don't use a lot, and have to
replace expensive parts like that frequently, having very stable (years is OK) 100 LL
at perhaps $5 a gallon may be a net huge savings. It has a touch of lead, will kill
a catalyst if you have one, and if you care.
Never seen anything that bad up here. My PU sits most of the time, and did eventually, at
maybe 125K fail a fuel pump, but the associated innerds were pristine, pretty much.
The truck is a 2003. fuel pump assy looks similiar design but WAY better than that. YIKES!
Brad - that wall looks like a pro did it, no lie.
Bill
I would suggest that for very low mileage - sits most of the time- vehicles when
you are getting this much horror show that fast, consider that purchasing aviation
gasoline and using that. It is pretty expensive, but if you don't use a lot, and have to
replace expensive parts like that frequently, having very stable (years is OK) 100 LL
at perhaps $5 a gallon may be a net huge savings. It has a touch of lead, will kill
a catalyst if you have one, and if you care.
Never seen anything that bad up here. My PU sits most of the time, and did eventually, at
maybe 125K fail a fuel pump, but the associated innerds were pristine, pretty much.
The truck is a 2003. fuel pump assy looks similiar design but WAY better than that. YIKES!
Brad - that wall looks like a pro did it, no lie.
Bill
fiver
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might as well have poured salt water in there.
Dodge used plastic fuel tanks in the mid-late 70's.
I mounted one in the back of one of my Internationals and fueled it through the side of the cheapo aluminum shell.
finished the roof on the patio this morning, then went over and got the back side and part of the North side of Littlegirls house painted.
it only needs the North side finished and then that will be done.
now I'm down to doing the front stairs [which involves a bunch of dirt and cement work, then building the stairs [the easy part] and I'm thinking about making them hinge up onto the deck to keep them out of the snow all winter.
I need to do the little wall between the upper and lower roof first, then get after the stairs and I'm done........ finally.
Dodge used plastic fuel tanks in the mid-late 70's.
I mounted one in the back of one of my Internationals and fueled it through the side of the cheapo aluminum shell.
finished the roof on the patio this morning, then went over and got the back side and part of the North side of Littlegirls house painted.
it only needs the North side finished and then that will be done.
now I'm down to doing the front stairs [which involves a bunch of dirt and cement work, then building the stairs [the easy part] and I'm thinking about making them hinge up onto the deck to keep them out of the snow all winter.
I need to do the little wall between the upper and lower roof first, then get after the stairs and I'm done........ finally.
fiver
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oh..
I got a turkey in the oven at 7:30 this morning and held the temp at 210-F for 4 hours then let it rest for an hour.
then we threw it on a slow smoke for almost 3 hours, flipping it over half way through.
holy cow the thing was so moist I thought we undercooked it at first.
I got a turkey in the oven at 7:30 this morning and held the temp at 210-F for 4 hours then let it rest for an hour.
then we threw it on a slow smoke for almost 3 hours, flipping it over half way through.
holy cow the thing was so moist I thought we undercooked it at first.
#3 Came home to;
Spray 4 shutters with some,"it has to be exactly this Ben Moore paint".Which cost him 38$ a quart.Now,I'm not bashing him or BM..... the paint is sick but,sheesh.Water bourne shot great with 5-10% water reducer and some of that white goop that eliminates brush marks,can't ever remember the name of. 2.5 tip top loader HVLP gun. Need perfect lighting,1 mph on fresh air movement,and dead steady spray hand when shooting.....
I set him up with the goods for home to spray at home but,nothing like getting hands on lessons.Two coats,done.
He also had some pretty dang nice SYP ( Southern Yellow Pine) in tow.So we glued up a 28"X 96" reloading table top.He got a lesson in about 10 things he never knew existed.... He's a little geekish in the smarts dept. If it wasn't for his very heavy sports involvement well, .......? So anyway,He's far from being a dumbarse but certain engineering principals have to be repeated like,12 times or some chit?
Sooooo..... instead of running his top through a planer,handed him a #5 "rougher" and a #7 "slick" ..... these are mine and dad's Bailey planes which have some serious milage on.And gave the boy some hands on "quality" Zen time on his top.Turned out fine.....heck,even threw a cabinet scraper at him,that fired off some synapses...haha.
In return,he huffed my Pratt $ Whitney sensitive drill press into the loading room.He has gym muscles....which heavy equipment ain't all that impressed with BTW.I could've probably done it with less effort? But he was adamant..... whatever,it's in the room so all's good.
Spray 4 shutters with some,"it has to be exactly this Ben Moore paint".Which cost him 38$ a quart.Now,I'm not bashing him or BM..... the paint is sick but,sheesh.Water bourne shot great with 5-10% water reducer and some of that white goop that eliminates brush marks,can't ever remember the name of. 2.5 tip top loader HVLP gun. Need perfect lighting,1 mph on fresh air movement,and dead steady spray hand when shooting.....
I set him up with the goods for home to spray at home but,nothing like getting hands on lessons.Two coats,done.
He also had some pretty dang nice SYP ( Southern Yellow Pine) in tow.So we glued up a 28"X 96" reloading table top.He got a lesson in about 10 things he never knew existed.... He's a little geekish in the smarts dept. If it wasn't for his very heavy sports involvement well, .......? So anyway,He's far from being a dumbarse but certain engineering principals have to be repeated like,12 times or some chit?
Sooooo..... instead of running his top through a planer,handed him a #5 "rougher" and a #7 "slick" ..... these are mine and dad's Bailey planes which have some serious milage on.And gave the boy some hands on "quality" Zen time on his top.Turned out fine.....heck,even threw a cabinet scraper at him,that fired off some synapses...haha.
In return,he huffed my Pratt $ Whitney sensitive drill press into the loading room.He has gym muscles....which heavy equipment ain't all that impressed with BTW.I could've probably done it with less effort? But he was adamant..... whatever,it's in the room so all's good.
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Wasalmonslayer
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That is our every day in the boat world!!
Ethanol fuel is great stuff huh!!
We get tired of throwing away $3k fuel supply modules because of this great government forced fuel!
People don’t realize ethanol is hydroscopic and it will absorb its own volume in water welcome to the stage massive corrosion...
The shelf life of fuel nowadays is less then 3 weeks before phase seperation starts to happen.
The only person ethanol is good for is the farmer!
Oh and I have a few friends who grow the corn and they have really nice cars and homes
Ethanol fuel is great stuff huh!!
We get tired of throwing away $3k fuel supply modules because of this great government forced fuel!
People don’t realize ethanol is hydroscopic and it will absorb its own volume in water welcome to the stage massive corrosion...
The shelf life of fuel nowadays is less then 3 weeks before phase seperation starts to happen.
The only person ethanol is good for is the farmer!
Oh and I have a few friends who grow the corn and they have really nice cars and homes
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Wasalmonslayer
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Oh and a side note Ian if you use red stabil it compounds the problem. That stabilizer was never formulated to handle ethanol.
Best fuel stabilizer I have found with 18 years of testing is the Mercury quick store.
We pour around 5 pallets of it every year during winterizing season and it flat works....
We used to use a OMC product but it failed miserable as soon as alcohol in our fuel entered the stage.
I use Mercury quick store in all my power equipment and vehicles that sit for any extended periods.
Best fuel stabilizer I have found with 18 years of testing is the Mercury quick store.
We pour around 5 pallets of it every year during winterizing season and it flat works....
We used to use a OMC product but it failed miserable as soon as alcohol in our fuel entered the stage.
I use Mercury quick store in all my power equipment and vehicles that sit for any extended periods.
uncle jimbo
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Put a new scope on the Winchester 30-06 yesterday. Going up on the hill and sight it in.
smokeywolf
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Majority of stainless auto parts are 303 or 304. Type 316 or 316L are the only stainless alloys that can hold their own in caustic chemistry or environment.
Ian
Notorious member
WSS, yeah, the red Stabil does make it worse, and it makes gum varnish with ethanol-free gasoline which is the equivalent of Permatex #1 gasket sealer, almost like Indian head shellac or aviation form-a-gasket. Best stickum there is if you never want float valves or fuel injectors to work again.
I'm not sold on the new stabil, either. So far, Phaze-out has been working to keep the ethanol in suspension. Mixing 15% rainwater with pump gas and agitating well, then racking off the gas and leaving the winter windshield washer fluid behind (add blue food coloring) works pretty well, but is a hassle for anything more than five gallons, takes time, and is a fire hazard even if you ground things properly.
What I call "coastal fuel" comes out of the refineries on the Texas gulf coast, particularly Pasadena and Corpus Christie. Plastic and chemicals is big business, gas and diesel an afterthought. Chemical plant by-products and waste is bumped with other stuff until it passes minimum motor fuel regs for Texas and dumped in the pipelines for us to dispose of in our cars and use our three-stage cats to scrub.
Even our pavement sucks. All the tar goody is used to make more profitable plastic, so just the grit and sludge makes it to the roadways where it starts cracking and crumbling as soon as it cools off.
I'm not sold on the new stabil, either. So far, Phaze-out has been working to keep the ethanol in suspension. Mixing 15% rainwater with pump gas and agitating well, then racking off the gas and leaving the winter windshield washer fluid behind (add blue food coloring) works pretty well, but is a hassle for anything more than five gallons, takes time, and is a fire hazard even if you ground things properly.
What I call "coastal fuel" comes out of the refineries on the Texas gulf coast, particularly Pasadena and Corpus Christie. Plastic and chemicals is big business, gas and diesel an afterthought. Chemical plant by-products and waste is bumped with other stuff until it passes minimum motor fuel regs for Texas and dumped in the pipelines for us to dispose of in our cars and use our three-stage cats to scrub.
Even our pavement sucks. All the tar goody is used to make more profitable plastic, so just the grit and sludge makes it to the roadways where it starts cracking and crumbling as soon as it cools off.
Wasalmonslayer
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I have been fighting that gum varnish from red stabil for years it’s the absolute worst crud to deal with.
Isopropyl alcohol is the only thing I have found that will cut it!
Image a fuel supply module with a low pressure, high pressure electric fuel pump system with a float valve system glued together as a glob with that sticky brown goo.
That’s my day to day life this time of year!
Isopropyl alcohol is the only thing I have found that will cut it!
Image a fuel supply module with a low pressure, high pressure electric fuel pump system with a float valve system glued together as a glob with that sticky brown goo.
That’s my day to day life this time of year!
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
oThat is our every day in the boat world!!
Ethanol fuel is great stuff huh!!
We get tired of throwing away $3k fuel supply modules because of this great government forced fuel!
People don’t realize ethanol is hydroscopic and it will absorb its own volume in water welcome to the stage massive corrosion...
The shelf life of fuel nowadays is less then 3 weeks before phase seperation starts to happen.
The only person ethanol is good for is the farmer!
Oh and I have a few friends who grow the corn and they have really nice cars and homes
FWIW, as far as I know the corn/ethanol subsidy ended in 2012. There are other subsidies in play and mandates involving ethanol, bit the glory days are supposed to have ended some time back.