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JonB
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I was thinking the same thing, add to it the NOISE ...assuming they run 3 shifts.
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Vegan . . .
Had the semi-annual meet and handshake with the new family doc, this morning. Our previous family doc retired to enjoy the good life, so he said, but I more than suspect that Obamacare was the only reason.
Anyway, and back to vegan, the new doc's assistant took my vitals, then started in with the questions, one of which was, "Do you eat vegan, or normal?"
Really?
Obamacare is more screwed up than I ever imagined.
Not being in school under Michele's watch, I've been fortunate enough to never have eaten kale.
Had the semi-annual meet and handshake with the new family doc, this morning. Our previous family doc retired to enjoy the good life, so he said, but I more than suspect that Obamacare was the only reason.
Anyway, and back to vegan, the new doc's assistant took my vitals, then started in with the questions, one of which was, "Do you eat vegan, or normal?"
Really?
Obamacare is more screwed up than I ever imagined.
Not being in school under Michele's watch, I've been fortunate enough to never have eaten kale.
KeithB
Resident Half Fast Machinist
I doubt that knowing whether you are a vegan or not has much to do with any health care mandate and more to do with the impact of your diet on your overall health. Many old people don't eat well, many Americans have poor diets, and let's face it you can't keep your body running on nutrition you don't ingest. Doctors are learning more and more about how diet effects your health. I would think a doctor would not be doing their job properly if they didn't inquire about your diet. I know with diabetes my doctor certainly asks me questions about my food choices.
I like kale, both raw and cooked, but that's a personal choice. (I like it better on a BLT than most shrubbery) My grandma had a saying she used when someone said they didn't like something on the table - she would just smile and say "more for the rest of us!"
I like kale, both raw and cooked, but that's a personal choice. (I like it better on a BLT than most shrubbery) My grandma had a saying she used when someone said they didn't like something on the table - she would just smile and say "more for the rest of us!"
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I have never been asked a question about my diet. But then, I'm not diabetic and have no history of it in my family. I have recently been asked for the first time if I had brothers or sisters. I've also been asked about guns in the house which got a polite "None of your business." type answer.
Being something of a reader I've come across more than one ancient dietary suggestion that follows the lines of "All things in moderation.". Man is an omnivore. People don't blame the bear or hog for eating what he can, makes no sense to blame man for doing the same thing IMO.
Being something of a reader I've come across more than one ancient dietary suggestion that follows the lines of "All things in moderation.". Man is an omnivore. People don't blame the bear or hog for eating what he can, makes no sense to blame man for doing the same thing IMO.
blackthorn
Active Member
For what it is worth, my opinion on telling your Dr. "none of your business" when questioned about guns is like telling a cop he/she does not have your permission to search your car. The best answer (again in my opinion) is a resounding no.
KeithB
Resident Half Fast Machinist
1. Many diseases are genetically related. I have a much higher chance of getting ALS than the general population because my sister died from it. I'm also on a shorter than normal colonoscopy schedule because my father had colon cancer and had 6' of bowel removed. I've seen family related health questions on every medical form I've filled out for the last twenty years, and I've had private health insurance then and now. Whether the Dr asks me about it every visit or not, its still a matter of my medical history and record.
2. Totally agree with "all things in moderation". But we know that everyones body is unique, and our responses to various foods and drugs vary a lot. When I was first hospitalized prior to my amputation my surgeon prescribed various meds, one of which was a statin drug for cholesterol. Now mind you even then, and I was sick in lots of ways then, my cholestorol was fine with my HDL/LDL levels and ratio well into the good range. When I asked the nurse what all these new pills were she replied "we give these to all patients like you". Like hell you do. I took one dose of them and ended up having a skin rash/hives and other negative allergic reactions. Stopped taking them and everything got better. Even now I eat two eggs with bacon every morning, don't fast before getting blood work done, and still have great HDL/LDL levels. Other people I know that are otherwise healthy fight like crazy to get their blood fats in line. We're all different.
2. Totally agree with "all things in moderation". But we know that everyones body is unique, and our responses to various foods and drugs vary a lot. When I was first hospitalized prior to my amputation my surgeon prescribed various meds, one of which was a statin drug for cholesterol. Now mind you even then, and I was sick in lots of ways then, my cholestorol was fine with my HDL/LDL levels and ratio well into the good range. When I asked the nurse what all these new pills were she replied "we give these to all patients like you". Like hell you do. I took one dose of them and ended up having a skin rash/hives and other negative allergic reactions. Stopped taking them and everything got better. Even now I eat two eggs with bacon every morning, don't fast before getting blood work done, and still have great HDL/LDL levels. Other people I know that are otherwise healthy fight like crazy to get their blood fats in line. We're all different.
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Agree Keith on the meds. My Fil was in the nursing home, couldn't get up out of a chair due to strokes and wouldn't have any clue where he was due to dementia anyways, but they had him on a daily dose of Viargra! Why? Because in his mind he was still talking with the boys in 1948 and he was hot to trot. The CYA stuff I see in modern medicine is appalling.
Why a statin Keith? It is simple statistics. Diabetics are at a far higher risk of heart disease even with normal HDL/LDL levels.
Studies have shown that treating people with cholesterol lowering medications and antihypertensive medications reduces The incidence of cardiovascular events such as heart attacks and strokes.
Many diabetics benefit from the kidney protective effects of drugs such as ACE inhibitors even if they don’t have elevated blood pressure.
Where medicine often fails is explaining the WHY.
Studies have shown that treating people with cholesterol lowering medications and antihypertensive medications reduces The incidence of cardiovascular events such as heart attacks and strokes.
Many diabetics benefit from the kidney protective effects of drugs such as ACE inhibitors even if they don’t have elevated blood pressure.
Where medicine often fails is explaining the WHY.
KeithB
Resident Half Fast Machinist
I take a BP med (Lisinopril) but had the Dr reduce my daily dose from 20 to 10 mg. I also take a generic Plavix and Metoprolol. None have caused any problems (other than a dosage adjustment). I understand the higher risks diabetics have, but my negative reaction to taking statins has a far higher risk to me than not taking them. Same thing with certain antibiotics, no problem with most of them but several have given me hives and other allergic reactions such as respiratory problems. Swelling up and looking like a rotten summer squash and not being able to breath is sort of a clue that whatever I'm taking isn't right for me
It's all risk/reward with your long term health at stake.
It's all risk/reward with your long term health at stake.
Allergic reaction are no joke.
Your lisinopril is the right class of drugs for the protective effect.
Everyone is an individual but do realize that more often than not there is a reason the MD does something. Might not always be the right reason but it isn’t always just CYA.
Your lisinopril is the right class of drugs for the protective effect.
Everyone is an individual but do realize that more often than not there is a reason the MD does something. Might not always be the right reason but it isn’t always just CYA.
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I'm always skeptical of medical "studies" and "reports" and their claims of the effects of this and that. However, many years ago I read that statin drugs are beneficial in treating other than a high cholesterol condition.
The vegan question upset my innate rebelness. My doc is the only one who needs to know anything about me medically, not the CDC or any other government entity. (CVS finds out after the fact.) Obamacare made sure that my medical history is available to one and all, and Google appears to be close to having it, too.
The vegan question upset my innate rebelness. My doc is the only one who needs to know anything about me medically, not the CDC or any other government entity. (CVS finds out after the fact.) Obamacare made sure that my medical history is available to one and all, and Google appears to be close to having it, too.
KeithB
Resident Half Fast Machinist
Had to reduce Lisinopril dose because my BP was too low. Not really an allergic reaction but a negative result for sure. No problems now with BP, nor any negative short term effects.
I understand why my Dr prescribed what he did. I was put off when I woke up my first morning in the hospital (prior to surgery) and had a very pushy and uncommunicative nurse give me four pills in a little plastic cup and told me to take them. No explanation for what they were for or what they were supposed to accomplish, just take them 'cause we give them to everybody like you. Bullsnot! Tell me what they are, what they're for, what they're supposed to do, and what risks and side effects might there be?
I made them give me a copy of the med list and I looked up every one of them online at a legitimate website (John Hopkins I think). Once I had a list of possible side effects it was pretty easy to narrow down what might be the problem.
I trust my Drs to have my best interests in mind, but I am a unique individual and have to live with (or possibly die from!) the results of any medical decision. So I want to know everything I can find out about what gets ingested or injected into my corpus. One reason I never had any interest even as a teenager to try street drugs for entertainment is the total lack of knowledge of what might be in them.
My Drs know when I walk in to their office that I know what drugs I take, what I eat, how I feel, what my BP and glucose levels are, etc. As long as I'm not senile or mentally disabled for some reason I plan to be fully responsible for any medical decision that affects my ife. I WILL BE an informed patient.
I understand why my Dr prescribed what he did. I was put off when I woke up my first morning in the hospital (prior to surgery) and had a very pushy and uncommunicative nurse give me four pills in a little plastic cup and told me to take them. No explanation for what they were for or what they were supposed to accomplish, just take them 'cause we give them to everybody like you. Bullsnot! Tell me what they are, what they're for, what they're supposed to do, and what risks and side effects might there be?
I made them give me a copy of the med list and I looked up every one of them online at a legitimate website (John Hopkins I think). Once I had a list of possible side effects it was pretty easy to narrow down what might be the problem.
I trust my Drs to have my best interests in mind, but I am a unique individual and have to live with (or possibly die from!) the results of any medical decision. So I want to know everything I can find out about what gets ingested or injected into my corpus. One reason I never had any interest even as a teenager to try street drugs for entertainment is the total lack of knowledge of what might be in them.
My Drs know when I walk in to their office that I know what drugs I take, what I eat, how I feel, what my BP and glucose levels are, etc. As long as I'm not senile or mentally disabled for some reason I plan to be fully responsible for any medical decision that affects my ife. I WILL BE an informed patient.
Wish everyone was an informed consumer in healthcare. You can’t image the number of people I speak to daily who think I know what they discussed with the MD during their appt.
My mother in law laughed at my wife for ”her little notebook” of questions. That notebook is the smartest thing out there. If you write it down when you think of it you don’t forget when at the appt.
My mother in law laughed at my wife for ”her little notebook” of questions. That notebook is the smartest thing out there. If you write it down when you think of it you don’t forget when at the appt.