The 350 Legend

todd

Well-Known Member
Appreciate the tip. There are many AR shooters here. I slept, ate, breathed M16 for several years several years ago, so they just don't excite me personally. I'm no Cowboy Action shooter either but am thankful for what their demand did for a lot of guns I like. The AR crowd, I think, help in that way too, so more power to the AR innovations.

i too, have had the m16 experience:rofl:. i was a 12boo with a 51b as a secondary(combat engineer and carpentry/masonry spec) in the army. ar's did excited me, i was going psa ks47 in 7.62x39 instead of a cz 527. my brother recently got a diamondback in 5.56. i tried it and the smell of gunpowder wafting across my face brought me back to the m16 and the shooting range in missouri.

but i'm probably goin to get the cz. the ar version is pretty, but.........

the howa 1500 in 7.62x39 is nice too. but if i purchased it it would go straight to my gunsmith and he would reamed out a 358x39(358 grendel/358ARk....). i know, they are AR cartridges, but i don't care.:cool:
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
..........and the smell of gunpowder wafting across my face brought me back to the m16 and the shooting range in missouri........................

Now, that's right up there with smelling green beans with bacon, because it reminds me of being in my grandma's kitchen. It's funny how smelling gunpowder can make you feel so nostalgic about what they tried to make the most miserable days of your life. Takes me back to Fort Benning, where I spent only a few months, but I get homesick for it.

RB, you need to stop that right now. The last custom I built (am slowly building) has soaked up $400 so far. As of just before Christmas, I hit the $400 mark when I bought a recoil pad while Christmas shopping. You're going to get me started on another "cheap" project and I'll end up owning a $600 Carcano by the time I'm done.;)
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
airc the WSM's would have been about 2000-2003 ish.
I bought a 7wsm [around 05-06 or so] and was not overly impressed with parts of the rifle [mostly the plastic stock] nor what it took to beat the 7X57 ICL rifle I had [built on a push feed model 70 action] speed wise. [you know like another 10-12 grains of powder]
it was never even close in the accuracy department.
maybe with a trigger upgrade and a new 300+ dollar stock it would have been about there.
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
airc the WSM's would have been about 2000-2003 ish.............

Yeah, that's like a couple, three years ago, right?

Why is it these days that everything that seems to have happened a "coupla" years ago turns out to be more like fifteen or twenty once I've done the math?

I'm still processing the idea that the 357 Maximum isn't a new cartridge just starting to get some traction.:oops:
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
9x39 is the Russian standardized cartridge for suppressor work with 220 or 250 gr soft shell spitzers .

All of these are doable in a 223 bolt platform using 22 NOS brass standard dies and a 223 shell holder .........
 

todd

Well-Known Member
Now, that's right up there with smelling green beans with bacon, because it reminds me of being in my grandma's kitchen. It's funny how smelling gunpowder can make you feel so nostalgic about what they tried to make the most miserable days of your life. Takes me back to Fort Benning, where I spent only a few months, but I get homesick for it.


when my grandparents took me camping, i got up in the morning to smell of woodsmoke and bacon frying!!!
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
when my grandparents took me camping, i got up in the morning to smell of woodsmoke and bacon frying!!!

OK, that does it! I'm buying one of these as soon as CZ chambers it in the 527.

I should have known one of you guys would eventually say something to talk me into it!

;)
 

Rootmanslim

Banned
New member here and have enjoyed this thread. At least no one here (as they are "there") is pontificating that this cartridge will be found illegal in straight wall states with a 35 caliber minimum. It will find a niche in states with those weird laws. It might also be interesting if a 300 gr VLD bullet is produced for subsonic applications. I have this 223 No. 3 gathering dust Hmmmm ? JES ?
 

Jeff H

NW Ohio
New member here and have enjoyed this thread. At least no one here (as they are "there") is pontificating that this cartridge will be found illegal in straight wall states with a 35 caliber minimum. It will find a niche in states with those weird laws. It might also be interesting if a 300 gr VLD bullet is produced for subsonic applications. I have this 223 No. 3 gathering dust Hmmmm ? JES ?

In Ohio, not all the legal "straight wall" cases are actually straight, like the 45-70, so at least here, they have done fairly well in being reasonable and specifically list each cartridge that is OK, according to the specs. Not an easy job and I am thankful states have gone to some effort to make it clear and alleviate as many dumb omissions as practical.

May take them a year or two to get this one on the list, but someone will be lobbying to get t on and it does meet the criteria many other do, so it shouldn't be an issue.

I struggled with rebarreling/reboring a 223 No 3 for years. It shot so well (they're not supposed to?) that I didn't have the heart to do it. Sure would be neat to fins a bag of No. 3 receivers to make up into any one of a number of appropriately cool cartridges.:)
 

Rootmanslim

Banned
Thanks. When I looked at the OH G&F site, I did not see "a list", just that .357" was minimum.

The nay sayers are claiming that because, although the bullets are .357 (in the factory ammo) the bore diameter is .355".

Yes there are people who would turn down a free beer because the glass was not chilled enough.

I offered a chance for them to bet me $1000.00 that no one would be arrested ----- oddly no takers. (chuckle)
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
Staff member
Yes, the game warden will be carrying pin gauges or other measuring tools to very the bore of the rifle.
If it is a 35 cal rifle then that is what will matter.
Internet experts at their finest.
 
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Jeff H

NW Ohio
"Yeah but it says 350". Now they are threatening people who disagree. "Keyboard warriors". LOL !

I'm not seeing the list now either. Looks like they've cleaned that up quite a bit. The rules were not perfect from the beginning and they have made attempts to improve it over time.

Not to play "keyboard warrior," but I wouldn't place any bets on whether the State meant bullet diameter or groove diameter in terms of meeting the caliber requirement stated in their literature. They may not have even considered the difference. As far as it being called "350," it's just a name, like "38 Special, which isn't .380" caliber. The 38 Special was originally on the list but the 9mm (.355") wasn't. That was all tossed about as the case was argued for handguns, and later for rifles shooting same/similar cartridges. Some phone calls would clear it up or at least get the ball rolling to eventually get it cleared up. There are just too many ways to argue the point either way to make it (the argument) a fruitful venture.

If you are going to rebore something, you have the option to make the bore/groove what you want - as well as the bullets. I'd set it up so that I could use .358" bullets - not to beat the caliber question, but so I could use some of my existing excellent 35 caliber moulds.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
he'd have to carry a lot of Pins.
just because the groove diameter say's it's 355 means nothing in the real world.
and the Bore diameter could be pretty much anything from 350 to 352 or even 354 in a '357' barrel.
judging from the reception I'm seeing on the Net and from places like chuck hawk's page this cartridge is already pretty much dead and it probably hasn't even hit the distributors shelves yet.
 

todd

Well-Known Member
the 350 legend will most likely be a "niche" cartridge. the States' that are straight walled cases will be giddy, the States' that don't will say ho hum, another cartridge.

i have straight walled cases in my rifles. the 444 marlin (tc encore with a 23" MGM barrel) comes to mind. it is a shooter, cast and j-words. it happens to be my favorite round. the deer don't like it!!!! or i could take my bubbasized 30-40 krag(1898 spr armory) and the deer don't like it too.

i guess i could say "ho hum, another cartridge". the 350 legend is not for me. i don't see myself owning one, now if it was a .358" .....
 

Rootmanslim

Banned
Let's be clear. .357 cast bollits will work fine in the 350 just like .311 boolits work fine in my 30-06.
Winchester is already selling bolt gun (see U Tube) and AR uppers and bbls are available.
IMHO 100s if not 1000s will be afield this fall.
As soon as someone buys my new 224 Valkyrie upper, I'll be buying a 350.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
the good thing I see coming from this is maybe I can find a real nice 180gr bullet for my 358 win.
 

Rootmanslim

Banned
the good thing I see coming from this is maybe I can find a real nice 180gr bullet for my 358 win.

Barnes makes a 200 gr TSX which is perfect in my 358 win 99. Will kill anything in lower 48. The 180 Legend bullet might be a tad weak for 358 win velocity.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
maybe, but I got a good deer/Elk load already using cast bullets.
if nuthin else I can shoot ground squirrels, it's too good of a rifle to only get shot 1-2 times a year.