Titegroup Powder question/experience

[dannyd]

but not the same as they were 15 years ago.

I did some research on 231 and HP38 from what I can find they have been the same since 1988.

 

[fiver]

yeah...
they tell you that,, but it has changed.
my best guess is the base stock of the powder itself is some different.

231 and 38 are the same powder, it's the composition itself that has changed.

 

[RicinYakima]

I agree, the stuff sold by Olin, WW, was made at a different place than the new stuff. HOWEVER, it takes many years to go through a batch of powder even loading it in everything WW sold for many years. We are talking ten tons of powder per batch plus blending.

 

[Ian]

I worked out of an old WW 8-pounder for years and loved the stuff. THE BEST .45 ACP powder ever, great with 158s in the .38, and very good in any other pistol application I ever tried it in. When I used it up I bought more but it was inconsistent. Bought a pound of HP-38 and had similar results. Very position sensitive, not as accurate, and left a different fouling in the bore. I tried again a few years later, same thing. The newer powder is shiny graphite colored, the older powder had a dull grey appearance similar to Clays.

 

[shuz]

I recently got an 8 pounder of Titegroup. Any suggested starting loads using 200g cast bullets in the .44 mag?

 

[Brad]

I recently got an 8 pounder of Titegroup. Any suggested starting loads using 200g cast bullets in the .44 mag?

Straight from the horses mouth

 

[fiver]

i wouldn't be afraid to go lower than that start load if your looking for something really light.
I wouldn't go all silly but down closer to 4grs. wouldn't be out of the question.

dang that's a long barrel they tested with.

 

[shuz]

i wouldn't be afraid to go lower than that start load if your looking for something really light.
I wouldn't go all silly but down closer to 4grs. wouldn't be out of the question.

dang that's a long barrel they tested with.

Yes, they musta used a Smith 29 or 629. I personally prefer the 4" and 5" model Smiths, and 4-5/8" and 5.5" Rugers.

 

[DHD]

I know this an older thread and the OP has already done what he's gonna do, but I always liked TG for accuracy but not even a little bit for the heat issue. I was using it in 9mm for shooting plate racks (gang of 6) and after the second rack those pistols would get warm. By the time I needed to reload magazines they would be hotter than I wanted a pistol to be.

Then along came Sport Pistol...

Shooting revolvers with TG doesn't give me the same results but I have other powders for that. The revolvers I shoot are SA so there is plenty of time for cool down. If I were still shooting a DA's fast over a plate rack I would notice the same as 358156 hp did.

 

[mattw]

I am not a fan of Unique, used to use a bunch of it, but it is so darn dirty. I use titegroup and like it, but concerned a little about pressure spikes. I do not use it in large cases.

 

[Ian]

Titegroup performs extremely well in large cases once the pressure reaches a certain point (6.4 grains in a .308 case behind a 230-grain bullet is the point where SD goes single-digit). Where it gets scary is when you start to confine it too much and then suddenly pressure takes off with the slightest charge increase or decrease in powder space.

 

[waco]

I have used it with some success in .38spl but that’s all I’ve really tried it in. I much prefer Universal these days.

 

[shuz]

I recently fired several 5 shot groups at 25 yards with Titegroup in the ..44mag with the MP clone of the H and G 503 at 260. Load was 8.5g and OAL was 1.700. My concern is that many of the cases show a kinda burnishing that could be caused by heat. The cas3s extracted easily so I'm not concerned about too much pressure but should I be concerned about throat erosion? By the way, the velocity chronographed 1050 fps with an SD of 6. Revolver is a Smith 629-3 Classic DX with a 4x Leupold. 3 of the 4 groups shot were under 1" and the 4th was just over 2" because I pulled the last shot by "peeking" before the boolit left the bbl.

 

[fiver]

metal erosion needs heat and pressure to occur.
IMO you'll see a little top strap cutting before seeing anything happen in the throat.

 

[Ian]

The new Canadian-made Universal does exactly the same thing to brass that Titegroup does. The older, ADI Universal didn't. It's WAY down low on my list of worries.

 

[Walks]

I spent my last 15yrs of Cowboy Shooting using Titegroup. I guess shooting the lighter loads I never felt an excess of Heat.
Switched to it from Unique because of the NOT Sensitive to position in the case and cold. Winter Range can get Real Cold.
Have two friends who still still use it.
But it is absolute death to plastic powder hoppers. Remove it IMMEDIATELY and wipe out hopper.

Loaded it in about half the cartridges you asked about. Good place to look would be the Hodgdon Cowboy Action Load pamphlet - 1/03.

MSG me and I'll send you a copy.