Up Date - - Ben's Liquid Lube

Ben

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A friend of mine asked me..............." Ben, I just noticed that it has been a year today that you first introduced us to this great lube ( BLL ). I can't help but wonder if you had any idea that it would take off the way it has? Your thoughts? "
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My response -

I released the details on Ben's Red about 4 years ago ( I had used it myself for about that length of time before I shared the lube with anyone ) . I couldn't help but believe that Ben's Red would be an instant hit ( and it was........)

As to Ben's Liquid Lube, I must admit that I severely under estimated the potential of this lube. I'd used it in .38 Specials and mild 357 mag. loads. It shot well. After about a years use, I decided to release this one to all of you also.

I never dreamed that the lube would be used in the applications that it has been used successfully in. I've seen " torturous loads " using BLL in the 454 Casull and 44 magnums that really surprised me. The shooters say their bores were mirror clean when the shooting was over.

35shooter uses it in his Whelen at 2,500 fps. Some have shot it in the .223 Rem at 2,900 fps.

I guess my expectations for the lube must have been lower than some of the " adventurous " types who have really pushed the lube to extremes that I never believed possible.

At any rate, I'm thrilled that both lubes are doing well with cast bullet shooters. I'm pushing 70 years of age now, there is little doubt that these 2 lubes will still be going way beyond my years.

Best to all of you,

Ben
 
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S Mac

Sept. 10, 2021 Steve left us. You are missed.
I am still awaiting 1 component before I make my first batch. Can't wait to try it. i probably missed a fact somewhere, using this on med to higher velocity rifle bullets is the procedure by some, to lube the grooves as normal with an overcoat of BLL, or as a stand alone lube

I know from your pics that you, Ben normally use as a combo.
 

Ben

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Yes, I've developed a habit of using both.
Hard to argue with success.

Ben
 

williamwaco

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New range report.
Regarding accuracy.

Balisticast 651 .358 160 SWC.

I love this mold. I love this bullet but I could never get it to shoot. 2.5 to 3 inches at 25 yards was the best I could do even with my scoped Contender.

I was curious about Ben's method of "rolling" bullets in BLL, all I could find to try it on was some 651's already sized
and tumbled in straight LLA. I counted out 52 and rolled them in a slight "puddle" of BLL. Set them aside overnight.

Next afternoon I was astonished that all the residual stickiness was gone. I loaded them up and went to the range. The average of 8, six shot groups was 1.42". That exact load with any other lube I have tried is over 2 inches.
 

Ben

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Wonderful results William,

I have had MANY people tell me that I was the biggest fool in town for not getting a patent on the two lubes and marketing them.

I felt it was the right thing to do to share both lubes with all of you, my friends.
Sometimes life is more than just profit and money....................

Ben
 

Dale53

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I have only had one opportunity to try Ben's LL, but I am MUCH encouraged by my results. I will be using it on a variety of pistol and revolver bullets in the near future. It certainly will seriously reduce the time and effort required to produce excellent cast bullet reloads, and that is a VERY good thing!

Dale53
 

smokeywolf

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The one I'm hankerin' to try BLL on is the 311413 on top of 16 grns. of 2400 in both the 03 Springfield and the model '95 Winchester. Might produce a great plinker for both rifles.
 

35 shooter

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You cannot go wrong with ANY of Ben's lubes or combinations of the lubes.
In my eyes(from actual experience in using these lubes) he has created a total lube system that just flat works day in and day out year round!

I've used Ben's Red to 2600+ fps. in a 35 whelen and have done the same thing with an overcoat of BLL or 3 light coats(after sizing) of BLL as a stand alone all with the same loads.
There has been ZERO leading with any of these techniques and always a consistent lube star on the muzzle.
Accuracy has been the same with all three methods(very tight groups) and what is totally amazing to me, i have the same poi with all three methods.

BLL is a perfect lube for those that worry about exposed lube grooves or want a hard finish on their bullets....i look at it as a coating without using pc.
Just tumble and let air dry....no electricity or cooking time involved, plus excellent accuracy.

My best accuracy loads continue to be around 2200 fps. in my whelen, but shooting with speed and good accuracy has been no problem at all with Ben's Red or BLL.
I think anyone that trys BLL is going to amazed by it's performance. I still can't get over what i've seen so far with my own eyes.
Looks like making and using your own lube REALLY can be just this easy!

Last year my hunting bullets were lubed with Ben's Red and this year i'll be going with 3 coats of BLL as a stand alone lube.
I've already determined(shot lots of groups over the summer) that my first shot from a cold bbl.,either fouled or swabbed will be in the group. It's the same with my brothers rifle.

Ben has given me(all of us) 2 lubes and 3 different techniques to use anyway i like and they ALL give the same performance in my rifle.
Any way you cut it...that is simply amazing!!!
 

KHornet

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Like a few others, I have come to overcoating all bullets with BLL! Takes little time, and results are great!
 

Ian

Notorious member
I'm experimenting with the "Ranch Dip" method using BLL. Only doing it on some 235-grain .30 caliber bullets for my 300 BLK, and didn't want any lube on the long, exposed noses. So far so good, lube collected in the grooves, filling them about 2/3, still dried overnight when dipped, shaken, and stood up on waxed paper. Interestingly, I discovered that "dried" BLL is almost exactly the consistency and feel of NRA 50/50, but has the extremely high burn temperature we associate with liquid Alox. I did burn a small pill of it with a torch and it left a lot of residue akin to wet cigar ash (it didn't really burn, just sort of bubbled for a while and dried out), but it's Alox, what did I expect? I'm betting it will do fine in the barrel, my only concern is gumming the bolt rings and filling a suppressor with the equivalent of road tar...testing on that to begin hopefully in the spring. In the meantime I have 50 to load and do cold-barrel-flyer testing and fouling assessment of the gas system. Ben, we're going to keep pushing the envelope with this stuff, hang on for the ride!
 

S Mac

Sept. 10, 2021 Steve left us. You are missed.
Well I got to shoot my first BLL loads today, a known decent load, the only change was the application of BLL. Probably a 25% tighter group. I think I'm on to something. Thanks Ben.
 

KHornet

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I am hooked on BLL, and if I ever run out of White Lable lubes, will probably switch to Ben's Red Lube as well. In addition, I like Ben's philosophy on just about every thing. He is one of the good guys.
 

Ben

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KHornet,

You're generous with your words...................
Many thanks,
Ben
 

williamwaco

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Ran another accuracy test yesterday.
B&M 51 SWC with 3.2 gr BE.
Lyman 50/50 vs BLL at 25 yds
50/50 1.6" BLL 1.7"

It would take an average of 20 or 30 groups to determine if one is really better than the other.
Last time I ran a test like that I got a tie.
Testing flat base vs bevel base bullets it turned out 2.37 vs 2.38 after 40 groups of each.

I don't really want to do that much testing.
I am declaring this test a tie.
 

Ian

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OK, got some results from "Ranch Dipped" 235-grain bullets shot in my 16" barreled 300 BLK AR-15. Not great, but not terrible. After three, ten-shot groups spaced about 20 minutes apart I got some leadey-carbony crusties on the back of the bolt and packed in the back of the bolt carrier, got a little bit of "tinned" case neck syndrome, some small, loose lead flakes in the bore, but overall not just awful and it all cleaned up relatively easily, no lead stuck hard in the throat, end of chamber, or anywhere in the barrel. Smoke wasn't too bad, either. Groups were almost on par with what my normal lube delivers, but not quite, maybe a quarter MOA larger and very consistent. I'm not going to change over to BLL and this method for this rifle, but it did work pretty well. My AR-45 shot very well with BLL also, but had some very severe lead fouling in the bolt carrier after quite a few rounds, some of them cooked off at around 600 RPS.

Just a data point, guys, frankly I'm amazed a "tumble lube" like BLL works at all in a direct-gas-impingement AR-15, but it does ok. With a gas-checked bullet that was a little harder than 11 bhn and didn't have 1/4" of base sticking down in the case, BLL might work flawlessly.