White Label Lube Question

[Ian]

If you want heat and oil-bleed resistance and still retain some cool-weather shootability you might to have to add some kind of metal soap to keep the oils and plasicizers tied up. BAC is good because there's not really any liquid in it in the first place, but it could benefit from some high-temp microwax to bump the high end and some of the cheapest, butteriest (not stringy), amber lithium chassis grease (not high temp disc brake bearing grease) that you can find to help the lube start flowing sooner in the cold. That will get you down to a little below freezing, but not much.

That said, for pistol ammo there is no beating powder coating for bomb-proof reliability and predictability in all temperatures, you just have to watch out for propellants that react with the coating snd soften it.

 

[skeet1]

I have been using Carnuba Red for some time now and am very happy with it for all of my loads.

 

[Ian]

I have been using Carnuba Red for some time now and am very happy with it for all of my loads.

Well that's good. Problem for everyone else is they don't know what are your loads. Mind sharing the calibers, velocities, and ambient temperatures you encounter? Other details like do you get cold-barrel flyers (high, low, how much?), do you hunt with CR loads below freezing, do you store your ammo in a hot place, etc. would be very helpful too.

 

[fiver]

I have used carnuba red quite a bit.
[that's what was showing me the relax point of the bullet that chilly afternoon in Wyoming where a day of rock plinking turned into a science project]

anyway.
I used to just go over to Glen and Leah's place and pick it up when they first got started.
then I started using it to make my BAC and then the modified BAC.
then the modified BAC with moly.
and finally I dropped the carnuba red portion and replaced some of it with paraffin and the rest with soy wax, and lowered the Alox to more like 10-12% replacing it with white lithium grease.

 

[Winelover]

Ian, don't be so hard on the new guy. Carnuba Red is my choice of lube and works well in all temps (minute of deer) in Arkansas, with all bullet flavors I cast for....................9mm, 38, 357, 44 Spl and Mag, 45 LC, 308 W, and 338W. If it's near zero outside, I could care less. Not gonna be doing any hunting or shooting then. Otherwise, I'd move back to Michigan.

 

[Ian]

For those of you who use White Label lubes, which one do you prefer, and why?

First line of the original post. I ain't being hard on anyone, it's good information to include in a reply and helps everyone.

 

[skeet1]

Ian,
I don't believe in reveling loads to anyone on the internet there is enough load data out there. As for temp variations I haven't noticed any. I use Carnuba Red in ,30-06, 7.5X55, .30-40 Krag, 6.5X55, 9MM luger, .45 Auto and others but these are the ones I shoot most often. I am very surprised that you would ask for my load data because I wouldn't ask you for yours nor would I use it.

 

[Ian]

I didn't ask for any load data, just a general idea of what calibers you load for, about what velocities you're getting, and something about the weather where you shoot. This sort of thing is "the rest of the story" which really helps other people out when they're looking to buy a lube to fit their needs, and besides, adds to the conversation. If you don't feel comfortable sharing any of the parts about weather or estimated/actual velocities, no problem, but it never hurts to add a little general info if you're up to it.

 

[fiver]

especially the temperature part.

many of us have very different temperature zones we shoot in.
I have swapped tons of lube ideas and recipes back and forth with Ian and also Brad who is about 1/2 way down the latitude scale between us.
surprisingly many of them do not work from point A to point B unless they are pretty inert and very temp insensitive.
I can guarantee my old engineered yellow recipe would buy Ian a sloppy wet barrel and groups that wouldn't even impress a turkey hunter at 50 yards.
but man it sure shoots good at 10-60F

 

[Rex]

I start with 50-50 mix of bees wax and Vaseline that works good in our cold weather then when we get to 90-100 in the summer I break off a little of one of the wife's candles to stiffen it up a bit. This with .38/.357 loads from 5 grain Unique in a .38 spec case to 14 grain 2400 in the .357. Am thinking about changing to BAC when I run out of home made.