Winchester 25-20 WCF

I am planning on reloading with cast bullets, but am not familiar with the new smokeless powders and amounts. I have a 1970's Lyman Reloading Handbook and it is the only book I have covering this round in detail. I need recommendation on a reloading book and advice on powders and amounts for ~85 grain cast.
 

Josh

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I am pretty sure the newest lyman cast bullet handbook has a good bit of data for the 25-20. You could always use 85 gr jacketed data as well. Start at the low side and work up, that case is almost ideal for cast.
 

Rick

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Staff member
Hodgdon lists H-4227 and HS-6 with 85 gr cast. From the data listed is appears the HS-6 gives higher pressures so if your shooting an original 1892 the 4227 seems more logical. A starting load of 6 gr H-4227 at 18,500 CUP and 1129 fps with an 85 gr cast RNFP.

You can see this data at http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/

Welcome to the forum Larry. Remember, the only dumb question is the one you don't ask.
 

Dale53

Active Member
When Marlin released the Modern Lever action again in 25/20 I bought one. I have always been seriously interested in a small game gun and cartridge. I was not particularly impressed with the .22 rimfire on live game. The solid was not a reliable "stopper" and the hollow point ruined too much meat.

I found a perfect small game gun in the 25/20. When I got the rifle, I immediately ordered out a Lyman 257420 mould for their 70 grain GC bullet. Since the bullets were small, I used Linotype (I had a large stash of this). The bullets were sized at .258". I developed three loads. The first was a squirrel load (hunting squirrels with a rifle was one of my passions). 4.0 grs of Unique worked quite well (perfect in fact). It was relatively quiet, provided one shot stops when body shots were necessary and had the accuracy required for head shots at any reasonable ranges.

My mid range load was 11.5 grs. of RL-7. My "high speed" load was 14.5 grs. of RL-7. This was a compressed load and should only be used in strong actioned rifles (Marlin lever action as well as the Winchester Model 92). The velocity was near 2200 fps and shot relatively flat. Accuracy was ten ring on the fifty yard small bore target (ten shot groups). The "X" count was not high but this was satisfactory accuracy. We held lever action matches at my local gun club for several years. We shot eight matches a year and I can tell you that my Marlin was never beaten (and, using cast bullets against jacketed). These matches were "practical" matches and included speed matches at relatively close range to score and game targets at 100 yards. The Marlin was a reliable performer (as was it's caliber).

In fact, I don't believe a feller or gal could do better as a small game outfit than the Marlin in 25/20. Squirrels, sitting rabbits, and sitting grouse were reliably taken without any serious meat damage. It has my full endorsement when properly loaded with a good cast bullet.

Dale53
 
When Marlin released the Modern Lever action again in 25/20 I bought one. I have always been seriously interested in a small game gun and cartridge. I was not particularly impressed with the .22 rimfire on live game. The solid was not a reliable "stopper" and the hollow point ruined too much meat.

I found a perfect small game gun in the 25/20. When I got the rifle, I immediately ordered out a Lyman 257420 mould for their 70 grain GC bullet. Since the bullets were small, I used Linotype (I had a large stash of this). The bullets were sized at .258". I developed three loads. The first was a squirrel load (hunting squirrels with a rifle was one of my passions). 4.0 grs of Unique worked quite well (perfect in fact). It was relatively quiet, provided one shot stops when body shots were necessary and had the accuracy required for head shots at any reasonable ranges.

My mid range load was 11.5 grs. of RL-7. My "high speed" load was 14.5 grs. of RL-7. This was a compressed load and should only be used in strong actioned rifles (Marlin lever action as well as the Winchester Model 92). The velocity was near 2200 fps and shot relatively flat. Accuracy was ten ring on the fifty yard small bore target (ten shot groups). The "X" count was not high but this was satisfactory accuracy. We held lever action matches at my local gun club for several years. We shot eight matches a year and I can tell you that my Marlin was never beaten (and, using cast bullets against jacketed). These matches were "practical" matches and included speed matches at relatively close range to score and game targets at 100 yards. The Marlin was a reliable performer (as was it's caliber).

In fact, I don't believe a feller or gal could do better as a small game outfit than the Marlin in 25/20. Squirrels, sitting rabbits, and sitting grouse were reliably taken without any serious meat damage. It has my full endorsement when properly loaded with a good cast bullet.

Dale53
From what I read, the 1892 was designed for cast bullets, hence the accuracy... I'd guess.
 
Thank you all for your input. I have my cast bullets, my Lyman guide, and am waiting on the IMR 4227 powder, which has been a challenge to find. Speaking of challenges: the un-primed cases are non-existent, jacketed bullets of 86 grain are non-existent, and so is the loaded ammunition at any sensible price! Fortunately members of the Santa Barbara Historical Arms Association were able to get me some ~once fired cases and my gunsmith some new cases he had molding away in the depths of his shop. All this does not bode well for this caliber in the long run.
 

fiver

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once you shoot it you'll start finding more stuff.
the 25-20 usually does it's best work with the lighter cast boolits.
I use a 70gr rapine plain base mold and accurates 2230 powder.
I started with aa-1680 data which is thee powder for jacketed rounds, and worked up until the groups got tight.
anything from a coyote down to a mouse is fair game within 100 yds with the little [win 92] carbine I have, and in serious danger out to about 150 yds with the rifle version.