.30-06 range results

[waco]

Out shooting this AM with my brother. I had the Bergara out. I had F L sized new WW brass fully prepped. I still have some donated Accurate 31-165-A bullets that Fiver gave me.(Thank you Sir)
These bullets were sized to .310"-Not sure of the lube Lamar used....
I loaded these with 43gr of IMR4064, the group for five shots at 100 yards was dismal at best. just under three inches.
The interesting part was the numbers. I'll post those next in a separate comment. My current RCBS neck expander die is .310"
All of my cast .308 bullets get sized to .311"
Lamar's bullets were ..310"
Not enough neck tension? I just bought a new .309" spud for my die. I'll revisit this load.

 

[waco]

Here are the numbers.

 

[Ian]

EDITD: Dammit, i misread the bullet you used, never mind.

Photo of the target?
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[RicinYakima]

Any reason you want to shoot at the velocity?

 

[waco]

EDITD: Dammit, i misread the bullet you used, never mind.

Photo of the target?
.

Nope. It was pushing 3” but it was very round.

 

[waco]

Any reason you want to shoot at the velocity?

Yes. Looking to hit steel targets out to 700 yards.

 

[fiver]

well you can't complain about the numbers that's for sure.
you might be slightly over running the alloy though, it's just ww's cut with soft [3-1] some added tin, and water dropped.
did you get any scuffing on the bullet upon chambering?

 

[waco]

well you can't complain about the numbers that's for sure.
you might be slightly over running the alloy though, it's just ww's cut with soft [3-1] some added tin, and water dropped.
did you get any scuffing on the bullet upon chambering?

No. I think because of lack of neck tension. When I chambered a loaded round it just pushed it into the case another .010”

 

[waco]

When my mold shows up I might give that 4/6 alloy a go.

 

[Ian]

Funny how you get the powder charge nailed down right out of the gate but something else is blowing the groups a little.

What mould did you order?

 

[waco]

Funny how you get the powder charge nailed down right out of the gate but something else is blowing the groups a little.

What mould did you order?

New Accurate mold on the way!

Just ordered a four cavity Al mold from Tom. Two different designs. This will be shot out of several rifles but mainly a Bergara and a Ruger Hawkeye both in .30-06 http://accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=31-165A http://accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=31-200LP

www.artfulbullet.com

 

[Ian]

I'd gas check, size, and slap some PC on that 165A when you get it and then run them into two-diameter form die I made you until the front band just kisses the angle transition and try again with the same load.

 

[quicksylver]

Hey Walter why not try the 299 or 284GC'd in lyman #2 or lino,or your 4-4-94 it will stay transonic longer, just for grins try 29 grains of 4064 and the 165 just to see what the group is like at 100,adjust seating to get the best you can then start upping the load, PS if you have a .308 with a 1/12 twist you might be better off when shooting the 165, I believe it worked best with a 1/14twist when they were developing it for high velocity, the heavier bullets will work better with a faster twist like the 1/10 in the 06, Dan , if I had more than 2cents I would give you more

 

[fiver]

the 165-A is for the 308, I can assure you 100% of that fact.

you can't really mess with this one, it's designed to pour straight from the mold at the size you need it. if you slip even a little bit and try to size one that weighs just a few tenths too much [IE 167 grs, rather than 166.6-7] you'll wipe the drive band at the angle transition in the size die.
then you've wasted a bullet and a gas check.

 

[quicksylver]

Well guess that's why it never shot in anything I own, the Lee 166 conventional grouve bullet on ther other hand.....

 

[Ian]

My M1A likes that bullet, Dan, but only after I powder coated it. I think it has a 1 turn in 11" rate of twist. I'm interested in how Walter cracks this nut because I'm working with a similar rifle.

 

[Tomme boy]

@quiere you sure you are talking about the 165a mold? Rcbs has a 165 but not the same bullet. The 165a shot way better than any of the Lee bullets I tried. I shot them out of two 308 barrels. One was a saami spec 308 Winchester and the other was a shilen 308 bisley. The 308 win chamber was a rechamber on a Remington 700 barrel thread for a savage action. The chamber was partially cut off to clean up the factory crooked chamber.

 

[L Ross]

I'm confused.I thought Walter was shooting a .30-06?

 

[fiver]

he is, but he is using the Accurate 165-A and we are discussing the attributes of the bullet.
kind of heading towards a 30-06 versus 308 throat discussion here shortly.

I sent Walter some 165's a while back and gave him an idea of the speed I was shooting them in the 308 and the powder to use.
as you can see his numbers are very good [which I knew they would be] and his group is the right shape.
but bigger than it should be.


the question is why?
alloy is probably the biggest reason, so he kinda needs to sort out a slower launch, or get more alloy strength [which isn't gonna be a real big help to him, since I have the mold, unless I make another batch or send him the mold to use]

 

[L Ross]

he is, but he is using the Accurate 165-A and we are discussing the attributes of the bullet.
kind of heading towards a 30-06 versus 308 throat discussion here shortly.

I sent Walter some 165's a while back and gave him an idea of the speed I was shooting them in the 308 and the powder to use.
as you can see his numbers are very good [which I knew they would be] and his group is the right shape.
but bigger than it should be.


the question is why?
alloy is probably the biggest reason, so he kinda needs to sort out a slower launch, or get more alloy strength [which isn't gonna be a real big help to him, since I have the mold, unless I make another batch or send him the mold to use]

Looking forward to that throat discussion.