35 Whelan

It has been a long while since I wrote here.
I hunted this year. I just moved so finding all the parts to hunt with came together.
Noe 313gc gr Cast, .360 dia, Alox/ BLL, WW/ 10% Lino. 30gr 5744 Lg Rem rifle primer.
One shot 50ish yards deer ran a bout 3 seconds ,50 yards. good blood trail.
I will use this load again.
Jon
 

fiver

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it and the 358 win. are pretty much pushing the easy button with cast bullets.
especially for hunting.
it's above marginal diameter, throws enough weight around to let you get away with cup points and even hollow points while maintaining the two holes we all like, the velocity is adjustable from poof to woah.
 

todd

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anything .358" caliber and cast are the easy button. i like the 200gr RCBS FN GC with 2400/tuft of Dacron going 1726fps in 35/30-30. i was going to go with 260gr or above, but after i shot the 200gr, it amazed me. i found the deer killer.

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CWLONGSHOT

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I have not hunted mine in too long. Used the 358 regularly. No reason really. I picked up a 310g few years back myself. Like the Accurate 270 little better. NOE's 232 & MP 359-22 are great over re7 in 358.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
I made a choice 20-odd years ago between 35 Whelen and 9.3 x 62 Mauser. Anyone trying to say that one is superior to the other is taking on a long contract. They are functionally identical, though their dimensions differ slightly. I chose the 9.3 over the 35 due to standard twist rates offered at the time (2002)--the 35 was using 1-16", the 9.3mm used 3 turns/meter (1-13.1"). This three turns/meter was optimal for 286 grain spitzers. and does well with the 232 grain 'Light' bullets. The 1-16" twist does its best work with the 250 grain spitzer, and in 2002 that seemed 'Limiting' to me.

I was mistaken--the 250 grain spitzer in either caliber is a real sweet spot with J-words. They track very close to the 30-06's 180 grain spitzer in trajectory and velocity, and provide half-again more THUMP on target at any sane distance. My conclusion--I should have opted for the 35 Whelen.
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I've been very happy with the 225 Sierra in my 35 W. When I first got it that was the heaviest bullet I could locate. The 250 gr Speers (IIRC) that everyone raved about were discontinued and a lot of guys were shooting 200 gr stuff. Didn't make a lot of sense to me, why not just get a 35 Rem if you want 200 grs? I later got some heavier moulds, IIRC up to 280 grs. There just isn't enough time to play with all of them!!!
 

todd

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one of the big reasons i got the 35/30-30 is a long neck and up to 280gr boolits. The Bull Shop has 275gr FN GC (Mountain Molds) in 35 caliber. i was going to use, but the 200gr FN GC is awesome.

i have a 9.3x57 and it uses 275gr WFN GC and it will stop deer. i got this one from Bull Shop too.

 

sundog

Active Member
SAECO #352 circa 250 gr, and the David Mos custom knockoff off the Ly 358009, circa 300 gr.

Of the latter, less than 10 were made to the best of my knowledge, and they are dandy. I have one, and five others went to folks on the old board years ago. It will stabilize in 14 twist.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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IMG_3946.jpegIMG_1571.jpegIMG_1572.jpegLove my 35809! But she is fat for powdercoat. I have to conventional lube it. Mine run closer to 290.

I bought a Accurate 36-270c to replace and love that one!!
 

richhodg66

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I actually have a couple of 35809 molds. When I had a bolt action in .35 Whelen, I shot some, never did as well as I thought it should. To be fair, that rifle didn't [pan out and I traded it off. I was still relatively inexperienced, thought I needed something like that to hunt deer with cast. I've since learned a lot and power levels with cast easily reached with a .30-30 work fine.

Now, what to do with this big, ugly Santa Barbara Mauser in.30-06 I got to have JES rebore, might just leave it as a .30-06.
 

shuz

Active Member
I've kilt 2 bull moose, 1 bull elk and I've lost count on the deer that all have fallen to a Lyman 358009 outta a .35 Whelen in a Rem 700 with a 1:12 twist.
I'm no longer able to hunt, so this equipment will end up with my son when I croak.
 
Thanks for all the nice stories. I got my .35 Whelan in Tulsa a few years ago. A Check V24. Who ever built it made a great rifle. The stock is a composite, Barrel is a medium weight and quite long a Weaver 1.5-4.5 tops the rifle.
Living in Minnesota we cant hunt with a Rifle in the southern part of the state. I just moved to Wisconsin the end of September with Deer season coming on quick. I was digging for ammo and a gun to shoot. First ammo was for the Whelan. Found the gun went to the range and still a good zero. One shot later the deer was down. I will try to add a picture to this.
Thanks,
Jon
 

gutshot_again

New Member
I've been using Lyman's 358627 mould - intended for the 357 Max, 215 grains, GC, SWC. In in my alloy it weighs 220 grains. The flat nose put a 2" hole clear through resulting in immediate bleed out. Never had a deer go more than 50 yards with a lung hit, typically drop right there. Use all the IMR 5010 (surplus powder intended for machine gun) I can stuff in the case with a magnum primer (compressed as much as I can). Hunted with that in 30 below and it worked as well as 60 above. Use my own homemade lube 'Glenhills Green' left over my commercial casting days. Used that in the northwoods of WI for over 25 years and never felt undergunned. Accurate enough out to 150 yards to take deer. Cases are necked up WW's - still using cases I stashed in the 80's and 90's. Feeds great in my Remington 700.

Also have a 9.3x57 that I use a Mountain Molds custom 270 & 300 grain in. This I use IMR 3031 and load like a jacketed bullet. Same performance as the 35 Whelen, but in a classier rifle (in my opinion). This one has a too flat of meplat and the nose gets hung up on the ramp. For now I use it single shot, but in the future will either order another mold with less of a nose or have the feed rails modified - havn't made up my mind either way yet.

Started hunting cast with a 35 Remington using Lyman's 358315 in my ignorance. In my defense, no internet and that's what Lyman recommened. That round nose performed so poorly I swore off cast bullets. Put a small hole clean through the deer, but wasn't effective. About 5 years later tried cast again with the Whelen and the SWC and very happy. I'm sure if I used RCBS's flat nose bullet the results would be different.
 

Missionary

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When we made the "Versatile cartridge" move it was a tough decision of a .35 or a .38 rifle.
What sinched it for me was the abundance of .38 rifle molds we already have. So there is a .375-06 ready for use.
 

StrawHat

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It has been a long while since I wrote here.
I hunted this year. I just moved so finding all the parts to hunt with came together.
Noe 313gc gr Cast, .360 dia, Alox/ BLL, WW/ 10% Lino. 30gr 5744 Lg Rem rifle primer.
One shot 50ish yards deer ran a bout 3 seconds ,50 yards. good blood trail.
I will use this load again.
Jon


Not a 35 caliber but any 300 grain bullet booted along by 28 grains of 5744 will drop a deer very well. My load works well in the 405 WCF with the Lyman 412263. As I said, not 35 but close!

Kevin
 

Missionary

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We all should have bought 50 pounds of 5744 (or Buffalo) when it was 1st offered. That is the best smokeless powder I found in the 50-95 Winchester with a 350 grain .512 cast.
 

CWLONGSHOT

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The Lyman 358315 is a dandy bullet and one that has quite a history. I read it was designed for the 35 Winchester! Ballistically similar to the 358 win.

Sounds like the issue was alloy not design as the 35808 is much loved for generations and it also shares a bulbus RN shape.

Another good bullet is the Saeco #352 245g. Looks like a heavy RCBS 358-200 fn.
 
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gutshot_again

New Member
Perhaps - but then again, I used WW's, air cooled, 13 BHN - rather soft. Lyman recommended #2, my alloy was much softer. Same alloy, same speed, different shape nose - completely different outcome. 358315 has been accurate in all rifles I tried it in, however there are much better designs out there for hunting.