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I was doing some reading and came across the 45 raptor. Looks interesting and cast friendly. Any experience or thoughts?
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It appears the mags & brass are the kickers in getting started with it. The round really interests me. I suppose a guy wouldn't need a mess of them to get started.
I'll have to read more about it. I think my wife would be upset if I dis- assembled her unfired 308 ar build to start this one. I'll have to start gathering parts for another build I guess.
I'll have to read more about it. I think my wife would be upset if I dis- assembled her unfired 308 ar build to start this one. I'll have to start gathering parts for another build I guess.
Ian
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It's just an upper and a mag change, no big deal. I'm betting you can mod your own mags easily too with a strip of wood, some epoxy, and a saw.
I was going to buy a barrel from Satern (was like $200 and in-stock a while back). Brass is the biggie for me, I thought if 45Raptor dot com was out of it maybe I could get it directly from Starline. I'm sure it could be made from .308 brass but you'd have to ream it it out or something. PSA has the cheapest AR-10 stuff I've been able to find, even when all the box stores were having blowout sales on AR-10 stuff a month or two ago. I kinda got distracted by subsonic stuff, so the .458 SOCom looked mighty fine for a while but I don't really need one. The 45 Raptor would be a pig killing machine and have at least a 200-yard range, and THAT would come in very handy from time to time.
I was going to buy a barrel from Satern (was like $200 and in-stock a while back). Brass is the biggie for me, I thought if 45Raptor dot com was out of it maybe I could get it directly from Starline. I'm sure it could be made from .308 brass but you'd have to ream it it out or something. PSA has the cheapest AR-10 stuff I've been able to find, even when all the box stores were having blowout sales on AR-10 stuff a month or two ago. I kinda got distracted by subsonic stuff, so the .458 SOCom looked mighty fine for a while but I don't really need one. The 45 Raptor would be a pig killing machine and have at least a 200-yard range, and THAT would come in very handy from time to time.
RBHarter
West Central AR
Is that the rimless 460 S&W?
If so a 308 neck up and trim should get it done ,having a 1.9 case length. I say use all of the twist ,the bbls are probably a 1-14 or 16 , treat it as a 45-60 NE . They say use 460 S&W data , I see 3031 under a 400 gr Money bullet actually probably more like 4895 .
If so a 308 neck up and trim should get it done ,having a 1.9 case length. I say use all of the twist ,the bbls are probably a 1-14 or 16 , treat it as a 45-60 NE . They say use 460 S&W data , I see 3031 under a 400 gr Money bullet actually probably more like 4895 .
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I can't have uppers & stuff like that needing switched out. I assemble the whole darn thing or dont, just how I do it.
I do have a psa 308 lower on a carbine that is otherwise dpms. It was by far the cheapest lr308 lower and it's of viable quality. Jse surplus is also worth a check for an ar assembler. I picked up the dpms lr308 stripped upper for only 90something from them.
I figure if I could get the barrel, 250 pcs brass, & one mag I could get started fairly cheap. 308 is the parent case and to the best of my knowledge uses an unmodified factory bolt. So it would stand to reason 308 could be converted somehow.
If 308 cases could be used and I could make/modify followers it could turn out to be the least expensive of the big bore ar options.
I'd love to drop some deer with that.
I do have a psa 308 lower on a carbine that is otherwise dpms. It was by far the cheapest lr308 lower and it's of viable quality. Jse surplus is also worth a check for an ar assembler. I picked up the dpms lr308 stripped upper for only 90something from them.
I figure if I could get the barrel, 250 pcs brass, & one mag I could get started fairly cheap. 308 is the parent case and to the best of my knowledge uses an unmodified factory bolt. So it would stand to reason 308 could be converted somehow.
If 308 cases could be used and I could make/modify followers it could turn out to be the least expensive of the big bore ar options.
I'd love to drop some deer with that.
buckeye43210
New Member
A guy name DaSOB was playing with a wildcat he dubbed the .460 SB Magnum back in 2011. It was an earlier incarnation of the 45 Raptor. He discusses how to convert 30.06 brass. Links are as follows:
Introducing the .460 SB Magnum
The .45 Raptor and a wildcat of my own
Introducing the .460 SB Magnum
The .45 Raptor and a wildcat of my own
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Thank you. I will definitely check out the links.
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I did get that one Ian. I've been going through everything I can find on the subject.
I may be a bit ocd when I research a topic. I've been known to run Google out of search options when I'm really interested. Can't ever read enough.
I've been teetering between large bores. At the moment 500 whisper and 45 raptor have my interest captivated.
I lean toward autoloaders probably, because we didn't have any when I was a kid & the hostile political views of them. I don't like playing the autoloader that won't hit anything game though.
I may be a bit ocd when I research a topic. I've been known to run Google out of search options when I'm really interested. Can't ever read enough.
I've been teetering between large bores. At the moment 500 whisper and 45 raptor have my interest captivated.
I lean toward autoloaders probably, because we didn't have any when I was a kid & the hostile political views of them. I don't like playing the autoloader that won't hit anything game though.
RBHarter
West Central AR
Thread resurrection....
I'm about a weekend away from a 45 Raptor bolt gun .
In truth there's probably about 30 min for a professional with all the right stuff at their finger tips , and 4 hr in the shop for things to set and dry .
Anyway after 5 yr of hemha'ing around I will have a basic zero nothing basic rifle to try . If it makes a showing then it will get better dressed and polished . No sense dolling up $200 rifle that won't hit the berm .
I'm about a weekend away from a 45 Raptor bolt gun .
In truth there's probably about 30 min for a professional with all the right stuff at their finger tips , and 4 hr in the shop for things to set and dry .
Anyway after 5 yr of hemha'ing around I will have a basic zero nothing basic rifle to try . If it makes a showing then it will get better dressed and polished . No sense dolling up $200 rifle that won't hit the berm .
Josh
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Not to distract from an interesting project, but here is some literature on the 375 Raptor.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/21/new-308-based-cartridge-375-raptor/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/21/new-308-based-cartridge-375-raptor/
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Good deal RBHARTER.
I haven't made any progress in pursuing this caliber yet. If I do it would be an autoloader. Still would enjoy hearing about yours when done.
I haven't made any progress in pursuing this caliber yet. If I do it would be an autoloader. Still would enjoy hearing about yours when done.
RBHarter
West Central AR
Well here's where I'm at .
1 I will have to turn or ream brass for all of my current cast bullet designs . The noses are too fat and have to seat fairly deep . The 452-255 Lee will seat out just below the crimp groove . The 454424 also will both need to be sized .452 .
2 The reamer used is supposed to cut a .5-7 leade in a .451 bbl . Mine is .448x.452 . The leade (section in front of the chamber groove diameter without lands ) is just barely a line . . The 457-340 RF Lee has to seat over the front band . ...... Irony . I build a rifle for a rifle cartridge only released in a revolver and then want it to work like a rifle cartridge......
Ultimately I expect that I will have to size a gas check bullet .452 then check it .454. I did get 1 of Buckshots last push through dies , a .448 to paper patch this .
3 I have to build a spacer/ magazine filler for the short cartridge that will get the fat 45 noses up to the 7mm RN ramp and tall enough to get the back end up at least a quarter of an inch sooner in this 1908 Oviedo . I may need to work on the feed rails also . I'm having no luck with finding a preferred "space age" material for the block . I say mica and you'd think I asked for iridium spark plugs . At least I don't get " sir, is that a 3rd head" look when I ask for mylar,nylon or Teflon ......
1 I will have to turn or ream brass for all of my current cast bullet designs . The noses are too fat and have to seat fairly deep . The 452-255 Lee will seat out just below the crimp groove . The 454424 also will both need to be sized .452 .
2 The reamer used is supposed to cut a .5-7 leade in a .451 bbl . Mine is .448x.452 . The leade (section in front of the chamber groove diameter without lands ) is just barely a line . . The 457-340 RF Lee has to seat over the front band . ...... Irony . I build a rifle for a rifle cartridge only released in a revolver and then want it to work like a rifle cartridge......
Ultimately I expect that I will have to size a gas check bullet .452 then check it .454. I did get 1 of Buckshots last push through dies , a .448 to paper patch this .
3 I have to build a spacer/ magazine filler for the short cartridge that will get the fat 45 noses up to the 7mm RN ramp and tall enough to get the back end up at least a quarter of an inch sooner in this 1908 Oviedo . I may need to work on the feed rails also . I'm having no luck with finding a preferred "space age" material for the block . I say mica and you'd think I asked for iridium spark plugs . At least I don't get " sir, is that a 3rd head" look when I ask for mylar,nylon or Teflon ......
Ian
Notorious member
That's disappointing. Might be a challenge to find a rifle throating reamer for that bore size, but it sounds like the thing to do if it won't swallow the Lee bullet. Your other option is to spend a hundred bucks on a custom, Accurate mould to help with the small throat and the feeding requirements.
Josh
Well-Known Member
Clymer Reamers will custom cut a reamer for roughly $150, I would treat your chamber as a "rough cut" chamber and buy a finish reamer that has the proper throat and a larger neck area if possible (less taper on the case)
It would beat custom molds and fighting a chamber that doesnt want to work.
It would beat custom molds and fighting a chamber that doesnt want to work.
Ian
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I agree with Josh, would definitely throat it as a first option if there is one. Another thing to look at is throat entrance diameter. I know it headspaces on the case mouth, but the brass is plenty thick enough to hold on a .455" throat entrance and you might want at least that much wiggle room to prevent shaving your bullets.
The cartridge was designed for jacketed bullets under 300 grains, which really makes it tough for cast bullets to work.
Hey, how about that Brownell's .45 ACP throating reamer??? I bet that would work like a charm.
http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-t...4415-pilot-dia--sku513053441-40868-19486.aspx
The cartridge was designed for jacketed bullets under 300 grains, which really makes it tough for cast bullets to work.
Hey, how about that Brownell's .45 ACP throating reamer??? I bet that would work like a charm.
http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-t...4415-pilot-dia--sku513053441-40868-19486.aspx