Barrel vice

Kevin Stenberg

Well-Known Member
I have the need for a barrel vice (probably a one time use) for swithing barrels on a Savage Axis.
I have looked at Midways / Wheeler barrel vice that uses oak bushings to hold the barrel. If anyone has an opinion on that vice please speak up.
Being that the vice uses wood bushings I have the tools to adjust the hole size. If the barrel should slip in the vice some small scratches will not bother me.
The closest GS to me is an hour away and who knows how long he will take to change barrels.
 

Brad

Benevolent Overlord and site owner
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Rosin can help too. Don’t want the barrel to slip in the vise and rotate.
I made a visit for a Ruger BH, gotta get the bolts tight and need a solid bench to attach it to. I used the table on my mill and at 950# it worked but I wouldn’t mind another 500#.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I have a big 8" Wilton vice and made wood blocks and it has sufficed. But a stubborn barrel would likely defeat this.
 
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david s

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I've swapped barrels on a Remington XP-100. Made hardwood barrel blocks out of some dunnage and epoxy bedded the blocks to the two barrels, original and swapped. Used a homemade hydraulic press (barrel jack and channel iron frame) welded to a welding table to hold the barrel and a Wheeler action wrench to unscrew and replace the barrel. Rosin was from a sporting goods store baseball section. With a Savage, I think you need a way to hold the barrel and an action nut wrench to remove the barrel nut. No problems with the Wheeler wrench other than a hole needed to be drilled to accept the XP-100 action instead of the model 700 action. From what I've seen the Savage set up is pretty slick when you decide to change the barrels. Remove original barrel, screw in the new barrel, insert a headspace gauge, finish screwing in the barrel against the gauge and tighten.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I used a chunk of oak from a pallet. Spade bit hole and slice down middle. Then rossin powder. Worked good for me. But I had to give it a few goes...

CW
 

Ian

Notorious member
A Savage bolt action with barrel nut really needs three points of holding. The barrel needs to be secured (chunk of pallet hardwood drilled, split, and rosined as has been mentioned, softwood (pine or fir) is no good. The action needs to be clamped in a wrench around the front receiver ring. Savage actions are butter soft and twist/crush easily so a good-fitting wrench insert is important and NEVER stick a bar through the action cut-outs as you'll simply twist the rails like a piece of taffy. Last, the barrel nut wrench, smack it with a plastic dead-blow hammer from Mao's Emporium aka harbor freight. Clamp the barrel tight, hold the action wrench against loosening torque, and smack the handle of the nut wrench deftly with the dead blow hammer.

Savage has a process of steel shot blasting their barreled actions AFTER assembly which forces shot under the front of the barrel nut and sometimes they won't turn on the barrel more than just a tiny bit. I like to have a spare barrel nut on hand because typically I have to split the original with an abrasive wheel to get it off the old barrel. If you have a smooth barrel nut, there should be a spanner hole on the bottom side hidden by the stock. For these I just use a pipe wrench to take it off and replace it with a splined one when replacing the barrel. Nuts are not expensive but are not always readily available. Another good tip is replace the recoil lug with an aftermarket one which is much thicker.

All of the aftermarket barrels I've seen have undersized threads and fit loosey-goosey in the action threads. When snugging up the nut you will lose headspace as the barrel pulls up against the threads, so you'll probably have to adjust headspace several times to get it right. Generally, insert the "go" gauge and turn the barrel down against it as hard as you can by hand to pre-load and "center" the barrel threads in the action due to to the lateral slop, then hold the barrel in the bench-mounted vise and the action with the action wrench to keep it from rotating as you torque the barrel nut. Recheck headspace. If it grew too much, scribe the barrel, barrel nut, and recoil lug on the bottom side, loosen the nut, remove the headspace gauge, tighten the barrel so the scribe line moves about 1/8" and try it again. If the bolt closes easily on the "go" gauge, you should be good. check with the NO go gauge to be sure and you've got it. A couple of solid whacks on the nut wrench with a 2# dead blow hammer is plenty of torque, it really doesn't take much.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I haven't needed the action wrench for the Savages I've done . I bought the barrel vise aluminum blocks at Midway.

The 1965 06' to 7×57 was a walk .
The Stevens 200 223 to 6.8 was just as easy.
Both were just lock the barrel whack the wrench unscrew the action, unscrew the nut , screw on the nut , screw on the action , gauge tight , nut tight , set torque, done .

The Axis is still waiting for me to either buy or build a chase .
See what happens is the afore mentioned bead blast also leaves the diamond chip coated tungsten beads in the D&T . Then some goober assembles the mounts and jams the media down into the barrel threads which will gall the action threads just enough that the Stevens 223 barrel won't go more than 3 turns back into Axis action.
So take that front mount off and wash out the D&T also .
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Just a word of warning that Ian alluded to early in post 7- Action rings aren't hunks of solid steel. You can bend/crush/distort them a lot easier than you'd think. I have an '09 Argentine Mauser that bent like butter when I tried to remove the barrel. I had no idea until I realized the barrel wasn't going to part with the action that day and I took the wrench off. The bolt wouldn't even go into the recvr ring. After a few years of staring at it I applied a percussive adjustment and the bolt will go home now. No cracks can be found. I don't know if I'll ever do anything with it, but it sure impressed on me that just because something is steel doesn't mean it's not fragile.
 
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Matt

Active Member
David S has the system I prefer. Bottle Jack in a strong frame. I use two flat hardwood blocks (walnut or oak) and granulated sugar for traction. The sugar provides enough grip to hold any barrel I’ve ever removed and crushes into a powder that does not mar a blued barrel. If you’re worried a wrap or two of masking tape will calm your mind. Never found the need too groove or put a hole in the blocks. Just run the grain perpendicular to the barrel.

He’s also right about the action wrench. Buy the Brownells with the Remington 700 jaws. By using the top jaw and just the handle flat will allow you to handle M70, M98 Mauser, 03 Springfields, with careful shimming SAKO 579 etc. and Savage. The thing I’ve found with Savage is that hold the barrel tight to loosen the barrel nut is key. Having just enough pressure on the action to loosen/tighten the nut is pretty easy to achieve. A friend used a strap wrench.

My version of the bottle jack barrel vise is below.
 

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Snakeoil

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If I had to make one, it would be from rock Maple. Could be clamped with 1-1/2 barstock and two grade 8 bolts. If I had a 1/2" thick steel top bench, I'd simply use the bench for the bottom half.

Oh yeah, rosin is king.
 
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RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I have an '09 Argentine Mauser that bent like butter when I tried to remove the barrel. I had no idea until I realized the barrel wasn't going to part with the action that day and I took the wrench off. The bolt wouldn't even go into the recvr ring. After a few years of staring at it I applied a percussive adjustment and the bolt will go home now. No cracks can be found. I don't know if I'll ever do anything with it, but it sure impressed on me that just because something is steel doesn't men it's not fragile.
There was a reason the 1903 Springfield was the preferred military action to rebarrel. Mauser developed the science of heat treating actions by using electric heating of specific parts of the action with mandrels. It was then quelsed and while the specific areas were hard, the rest of the action was soft and tough. There is always a trade off in manufacturing techniques.
 

Tomme boy

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I built a barrel and action block and wrenches out of the plans that were in the Mauser Gunsmith book. I mainly just use the barrel block with different sized inserts out of brass. It mounts through my bench and the barrel hangs out and the action is over the bench. Then just use the savage nut wrench or a adjustable spanner wrench. I have like 10 of them in different sizes and different hooks.

What Savage does is shot peen the actions after heat treat. It is put in what is called a Wheelabrator. It shoots the steel beads at very high velocity to remove the scale from heat treat of the actions. No one could figure this out what is was till I seen one. We used had 2 very large wheelabrators at the metal forging factory I worked at. I let the guys know about this a long time ago over on the Savage site. And has been confirmed since. We used to put all kinds of things in there to clean stuff. Then ran it through the Phosphate line to parkerize them. We had a heavy course grain and a lite normal gun type finish. All of the Caterpillar stuff had to be heavy phos. You wouldn't believe the # of guns and barrels that went through there on 2nd and third shift! LOL!!!
 

Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
I built a barrel and action block and wrenches out of the plans that were in the Mauser Gunsmith book. I mainly just use the barrel block with different sized inserts out of brass. It mounts through my bench and the barrel hangs out and the action is over the bench. Then just use the savage nut wrench or a adjustable spanner wrench. I have like 10 of them in different sizes and different hooks.

What Savage does is shot peen the actions after heat treat. It is put in what is called a Wheelabrator. It shoots the steel beads at very high velocity to remove the scale from heat treat of the actions. No one could figure this out what is was till I seen one. We used had 2 very large wheelabrators at the metal forging factory I worked at. I let the guys know about this a long time ago over on the Savage site. And has been confirmed since. We used to put all kinds of things in there to clean stuff. Then ran it through the Phosphate line to parkerize them. We had a heavy course grain and a lite normal gun type finish. All of the Caterpillar stuff had to be heavy phos. You wouldn't believe the # of guns and barrels that went through there on 2nd and third shift! LOL!!!
You bring to mind the difference in consumer grade finishes and industrial grade finishes. Sort of like Cats heavy finish. Joe Sixpack goes out and buys some galvanized steel and puts it in a high corrosion area and it rusts eventually. I have a sheet of galvanized sheet stock made up into a manure chute I got from a commercial roofing outfit. It looks more like stainless steel and there isn't even any discoloration, much less rust after more than 15 years!!! Big difference, like Cat parts and TYM tractor parts!
 

Tom

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If I had to make one, it would be from rock Maple. Could be clamped with 1-1/2 barstock and two grade 8 bolts. If I had a 1/2" thick steel top bench, I'd simply use the bench for the bottom half.

Oh yeah, rosin is king.
That's how I made mine, drill through hardwood, cut in half, then clamp using bar stock and bolts.
 

CWLONGSHOT

Well-Known Member
I think Midway has a "wrench" that uses blocks or maybe IS the block dont remember but it just popped into my head.

If I had I would let ya borrow but I dont. ;(

CW
 

Brad

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I am pretty good about not buying too many barrels, hence my barrel vice is under control. Now handguns, that vice is nuts.