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Gary

SE Kansas
So, I have a couple of 80%'ers and no jig. Anybody got a jig they'd sell or rent? Gotta beat Corn Pop to the punch.
 

Tomme boy

Well-Known Member
If you are that worried scratch a serial # in them and finish them when you can. The serial # can be anything.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
I've received a message or two and apparently my "question/need" has been misunderstood. I'm not the least bit concerned about "Corn Pop", the ATF, and any enforcement concerning the infringement of my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. I simply am looking for a JIG with which to accomplish my dastardly deed. Simply looking for a JIG. And NO there will be no identifying serial# on the receiver, after all, they won't be for sale.
Corn Pop needs a "suggestion" box to store his tome of signatures.
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
80% refers to an 80% complete receiver. Under current ATF definitions, a receiver that is not completely machined to it's final state is not a firearm as long as it is less than 81% finished. Below that state of machining, it's just a block of material. Above that level of work and it is considered a receiver, and therefore a firearm.
Once the material has been machined to the point that the part becomes a firearm, all the normal rules concerning the transfer and possession of a firearm apply.
Jig is a reference to a jig used to complete the machining of an 80% receiver, usually with a router or a drill press. It allows for fairly precise machining without a mill.
Corn Pop is just a reference to Joe Biden.
Serial numbers are required in some circumstances once the part becomes a receiver.
 
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California's Central Coast Amid The Insanity
Corn Pop -- oh, boy, what an un-realistic tall tale. I'll believe ol' Barry was born in Hawaii before I'll ever believe Corn Pop ever existed.

In California, if one removes metal from a hunk of aluminum and somehow there's an AR receiver lurking among the pile of shavings, one must apply to the state DOJ for a DOJ assigned serial number*.

*Used to be able to use a serial number of one's choice, but Sacramento realized it didn't have control of the process, the power to dictate a number, and was missing a tax source.
 

Ian

Notorious member
You don't need a jig, you have a mill and the internet. The internet will provide a multitude of free precision dimensional drawings for FCP and pin locations as well as layout and machining techniques. It isn't rocket surgery.
 

fiver

Well-Known Member
you can also copy them from an existing specimen.
Sacramento was just getting pissed that they had 3 million #000-1 guns registered.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
You don't need a jig, you have a mill and the internet. The internet will provide a multitude of free precision dimensional drawings for FCP and pin locations as well as layout and machining techniques. It isn't rocket surgery.
Pretty much what I've figured out from searching the cosmos today. Thanks for reminding me of my shop tooling capabilities.
 

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
Does Kansas even require a serial number on a firearm?

In some states, if you can lawfully possess a firearm, you can make your own firearm. If your state doesn't require a serial number on the gun, you don't have to put one on it.
Placing a serial number on an uncompleted receiver really isn't accomplishing anything other than stamping digits on a hunk of metal.
If your state requires all firearms to be registered. then yes, it will need a unique serial number once the receiver is complete.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
Home made NFA requires engraving of "MADE IN KANSAS" stamped on the receiver or other part of the weapon, nothing on non-NFA stuff. In KS we can open carry, conceal carry WITHOUT any permits. We are also a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary state.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
"However, the Second Amendment Protection Act prohibits Kansas police from enforcing the NFA if a personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition is owned or manufactured commercially or privately in Kansas and remains within the borders of Kansas. A firearm manufactured in Kansas must have the words "made in Kansas" clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or frame. Federal enforcement is still possible."
Clearly this is taken from the Cosmos so maybe it's right or maybe it's wrong.
 
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Ian

Notorious member
Describing a firearm as Title I or Title II eliminates confusion. Many of us get used to writing NFA to mean silencers, SBRs, SBSs, machine guns, or AOWs regulated by the 1934 NFA, and in context that's usually good enough.

It is still illegal to possess Title II firearms in Texas but it is "an affirmative defense to prosecution" if you have your paperwork in order and present and are otherwise obeying the federal regulations.
 

Gary

SE Kansas
Plenty of citizens of Kansas possess regulated by the 1934 NFA firearms. It's what we do. :cool:
 

Rockydoc

Well-Known Member
What about suppressors: If I made a suppressor in Florida and kept it always in Florida, would it be legal?