H.G. Loverin designed bullet

[GWarden]

I recently acquired a .244(IdeaL 245497) and .30 cal Loverin designed bullet mold (Lyman 311467). These are my first Loverin style molds. Would like some info on someone that has used these. Were these designed for higher velocity use, with all the grease grooves? Interested in loads in the 6mm Rem and 30.06. Thanks in advance for any info provided.
bob

 

[Ian]

467, yes. Loverin didn't know what "high velocity" was. The weak bands don't lend themselves to velocity as well as they do good dynamic fit in a lot of different throat shapes and usually very good accuracy. Don't try to lube all the grooves, in fact, start with just the bottom two and the space above the gas check. For target work in the '06 it is pretty tough to beat Unique, just elevate the muzzle prior to each shot to position the powder. See any old Lyman manual for loads. I find the length and volume of the case to be just outside the peak consistent burn zone of 2400 and Titegroup (the usual excellent performers for moderate target loads at my house) before pressure gets to be beyond what it needs to be.

I never owned a .25.

 

[Matt]

These bullets need their gas checks and limited lube. I always start with the two bottom grease grooves. That’s usually enough and more often degrades accuracy. Another option is trying tumble lube with Loverin designs. Some times this works great with as cast bullets and loading without sizing. They don’t seem to do well with any portion of the bullet below the case neck so you should be okay with the bullets listed in ‘06 and 6mm with the long necks on those cases. Velocity seems to be best at 1300 to 1500 fps. These are target bullets and like velocities similar to the .32/40…….not suprisingly . I’ve also had best luck with soft alloy and fast powders like Red Dot and Bullseye and maybe Unique. Lots of loads with these weight bullets in the RCBS cast bullet book and some of the older Lyman data. If you can seat the bullet so some portion of the nose is supported by the lead you should. This style bullet can be frustrating but also rewarding.

 

[Bret4207]

Ian pretty much covered it. Loverins generally shoot pretty well in anything they happen to fit as long as you don't try for Warp 5. You can overdo the lube for sure. I wish there'd been more FP's in that style made.

 

[GWarden]

Thanks for the info, will definitely save me lots of time and effort.
bob

 

[fiver]

if you get yourself a Savage 340-A that 467 30 cal bullet will beat jacketed velocities pretty easily.
I can assure you it will still hold 3" 100yd groups with the open sights even while your blowing primers.
and if you wanna try it in a lever rifle be prepared to short seat them.

no clue what it'll do in the 0-6 though.
but I'd sure be willing to try them at the every day 18-19grs. of 2400 load and put them on paper to find out if I didn't have like 200 other 30 caliber molds I still ain't got around to yet.

 

[Bret4207]

Fiver, that must be one of those "cheap, junky Savages" no one wanted back in the 70's and 80's. Un-appreciated little rifles those 340s!

 

[richhodg66]

I had good accuracy with the lighter version, the 311466, in my Savage 340.

 

[Maven]

I recently acquired a .244(IdeaL 245497) and .30 cal Loverin designed bullet mold (Lyman 311467). These are my first Loverin style molds. Would like some info on someone that has used these. Were these designed for higher velocity use, with all the grease grooves? Interested in loads in the 6mm Rem and 30.06. Thanks in advance for any info provided.
bob

bob, I have #245496 and have had quite a bit of success (accuracy) when using 9 - 10gr. Unique, 14 -15gr. IMR 4198, and 13 - 14gr. WC 820 (AA #9). I also fill most of the lube grooves with whatever is in my lube sizer, get a nice lube star, and haven't seen much evidence of "lube purging flyers." Although my loads are not high velocity, they average ~1 m.o.a. from a. 243Win. (Ruger #1, 26" bbl.; .244" sizing diameter).

Edit: XMP 5744 (or whatever the current designation is) is also viable with #245497 and at 13 - 15 gr.

 

[CZ93X62]

What Maven said, regarding Lyman #245496. I have run it to 1800 FPS and accuracy held to 200 yards.

 

[fiver]

it musta held on into the 90's out here.... LOL
but once the prices went up from a hundred bucks they shot near 400 real quick.

 

[Bret4207]

Remember when an M1 Carbine was a $50.00 rifle? Or better, when you could get 4 or 5 Russian MN's for $100.00? Saw a beat up example of an MN the other day for $400.00!

 

[Ben]

I walked into Aero Marine Supply in B'ham in late 1964.
A 30 foot long rack down the middle of the store.
Good looking M-1 Garands on one side of the rack $49.95
Same condition, M-1 Carbines on the other side $29..95
No paper work, pay for the rifle and walk out of the store.

 

[RicinYakima]

Those were the days; Sears Roebuck at the same time had open-top drums of 1903 Springfields, mixed condition, for $25. This was in Ohio which was a shotgun only hunting state, so high-power rifles were not very popular compared to 22's.

 

[Bret4207]

But $25.00 then was $500.00 now. Seems we rarey have the $$$, or the foresight, to take advantage of a situation.