H&K P7, Fine Engineering or just German Weirdness?

Petrol & Powder

Well-Known Member
I could probably write a college paper on the former West German police pistols of the late 1970’s [P5, P6, P7] but suffice to say I have a strong interest in that segment of firearm’s history. After the terrorist attacks at the 1972 Munich Olympics, the West German government held trials to select a new police pistol. They ended up approving 3 designs that all met the requirements. The Walther P5 and Sig P6 utilized fairly conventional locking systems. The P5 used the same style tilting block as the Walther P-38/P1 and the Sig P6 used a Browning tilting barrel system. However, the H&K designers, true to their exotic engineering tendencies, went with a gas retarded blowback system. But wait………there’s more….:)

Just in case the locking system wasn’t unusual enough, they tossed in a squeeze cocking mechanism to show off their engineering prowess. The resulting pistol was the most expensive of the three approved types and therefore adopted by the fewest German states. But it was certainly quintessential German in every regard. Lots of engineering (maybe too much), worked beautifully and is well made. It also cost more than its competitors.

The P7 is slim, compact, accurate, reliable, and downright different. In the interest of brevity, I will not go into the intricacies of the gas retarded system, but I will say that it works. The system does require a fluted chamber to prevent the casings from adhering to the chamber walls. These flutes leave distinctive markings on the spent casings, but these marks cause no harm to the casings. Contrary to myth, the casings are reloadable, and they suffer no damage from the fluted chamber. The drawback of this gas retarded system is the location of the gas piston directly above the trigger. If one fires multiple rounds in quick succession (about two magazines worth) the frame above the trigger gets rather warm. H&K attempted to address this with a plastic heat shield on the P7M8 models. That was only partially successful. Bottom line, shooting a full magazine in a hurry is no big deal. But in shooting a 50 round qualification course, the pistol gets quite toasty about halfway through. The fixed barrel and low bore axis do help make the pistol very accurate and quick to fire follow up shots, despite its compact dimensions.

The squeeze cocking mechanism is the other departure from conventional trigger/safety systems. It’s complex in design but simple in operation. In a nutshell, when the cocking lever on the front strap of the grip is depressed, the action is cocked and may be fired with a single action trigger pull. If the lever is depressed, the gun will cycle when fired like any other SA pistol and be ready to fire with the next trigger pull. To render the gun safe, the user simply relaxes his/her grip to de-cock the action and render the pistol completely safe. The system is intuitive and simple to operate.

In addition to cocking/de-cocking the action, the lever also acts as the slide release. When the slide locks open after the last round in the magazine is fired, the user drops the empty mag, inserts a loaded mag and squeezes the lever. This will drop the slide and cocks the action in one step.

The P7 was undeniably a departure from the conventional. However, that uniqueness came at a price, and that price was mostly actual money. The H&K P7 couldn’t compete with its lower cost rivals. The last variant of P7 left the factory in 2008.
 

Outpost75

Active Member
I tested one of the first P7s imported into the US when it was still designated as the PSP or Police Selfloading Pistol. I later bought a production version.

Weakness in the design is that in high volume use the edge of the gas port erodes at its rear edge surface, leaving the front edge higher so that it acts like a saw tooth. When using gilding metal jacketed, as opposed to gilding metal-clad steel ammo bullet base upset results in the sharp front edge of the gas port shaving jacket material and depositing the bits into the gas cylinder. After a time these little copper coffee grounds build up enough in the gas cylinder to cause short stroke malfunctions. HK now sells the gun with a gas cylinder scraper to remove these particles, but with high volume use the problem gets worse until the scraping tool needs to be used after each and every each range session. Therein lies a clue!

Consider the P7 a 10,000 round gun before it needs to be returned to the factory for rebuild. HK customer service sucks if you don't have a badge, so when your gun comes back to you six months later, looking spanking new in the box, sell it immediately! That's what I did with mine 30 years ago. You don't see many P7s in electrolesss nickel, so if you have one it just may be mine.
 
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JustJim

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I had one for about a year. The guy I got it from was one of those guys who have to have the latest-and-greatest, so when the P7M13 came out he sold his P7 to me. He said he'd shot it "extensively" and never had a problem (turned out to have shot a couple boxes of WW white box).

<sigh>

I put a case of milsurp 2Z through it w/o problems other than getting frustrated having to stop to load the two mags that came with it (good luck finding/affording spare mags). It worked with ball ammo, 9BP, didn't like cast. Accuracy was about par with milsurp ammo. I didn't care for the grip, and eventually I found an H&K fan who couldn't live without it.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
I fired 50 rounds through a P7 in 1980 or thereabouts. One of my buddies at work owned one, it was a cool little pistol but way out of my price range with little kids at home. About a decade later I got tired of my HK-91 making my 308 brass unusable--irrespective of the port buffer I bought for it--and sold it to a detective buddy that didn't reload and had a lot more money than I did.
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I bought an HK SL7, the sporting rifle version of the roller lock system. Not practically accurate, and sensitive about reloading pressure for ammo. Sold it and lost money on the deal.
 

Petrol & Powder

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I've had my P7 for many years. I don't shoot it a lot, I purchased it to fill my P5/P6/P7 series.

It has proven to be very reliable and quite accurate but admittedly the cool factor outweighs the need factor.

Back before the current crop of thin, compact, pistols chambered in 9mm, it was one of the best options for a small 9 mm pistol, albeit rather expensive. Today it is more of a historical item.

A friend carries a PSP as his primary CC weapon and even used it as a duty weapon during a stint as a reserve deputy.

H&K has a long history of being a bit different. Examples of this innovation can be seen in the VP70 (the first polymer framed pistol) the original P9 and P9S (roller delayed pistol with stamped steel/polymer frame), the USP pistols (multiple lock work variants in the same frame).

H&K likes to show off their engineering skills and sometimes this pays off. The G3 and MP5 were huge commercial successes. and other times they push the envelope a bit more than the envelope needs to be pushed.

I owned a P7M13 for a while, but the proportions of that fat gripped, short slide pistol were all wrong. I sold that pistol while I was in search of the P7. If you think the magazines for a P7M8 are expensive and rare, look up the magazines for the P7M13!
 
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obssd1958

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I too have fired a friends P7. Very interesting mechanical marvel!

I'm wondering what it says about us as a group, that quite a few of us have some experience with what is a rare and eclectic hand gun??
 

JustJim

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I'm wondering what it says about us as a group, that quite a few of us have some experience with what is a rare and eclectic hand gun??
I figured that was normal.

German designs of today seem to have a different design philosophy, and to be targeted at other-than-civilian end-users.
 

Rushcreek

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One of my brothers had a P7m13 and a SL7 at one time.
Both worked fine and shot ok. A bit Euro for my taste.
I pissed him off on a visit to Colorado by outshooting his SL7 on distant rocks with my iron sighted Remington 788 using his .308 surplus ammo.
Both his H&Ks had fluted chambers. He never reloaded for them anyway but that brass looked weird with the stripes…..
He now carries a Walther 9mm or a RIA 10mm and his main rifle is a 30-06 Ruger m77 with irons and Scout scope.