Herters lubesizer Model 49 .

RBHarter

West Central AR
I have received my 2nd one . It was advertised as "needing rehab with , .285 H& I and nose punch" , for $25 and freight a guy can't get hurt , an H&I is that much .

It looked classic unused in a long time. I took it apart needing some firm persuasion to get the slide bars out but most of it cleaned up white or thin rust blue .

There are 3 versions of this lubesizer .
#1 used a .750 dia H&I of a proprietary type that can use a Seaco die more or less , something about the threads being slightly larger but compatible.

#2 Used a .750 dia H&I that was all Herters with a stop/seal lip on top and used the set screw .

#3 used the Lyman , RCBS H & I dies .
(Numbered by me not necessarily in correct order)
One or more used a 5/16 dia nose punch with a stem that looked more like a form (double headed) nail with a deep wide groove for the thumb screw .

The first one I bought was of the #3 design . It has the 1/4" Lyman, RCBS type nose punch and the "standard" H&I . The new one has the the 5/16 nose punch and the .750 dia H&I .
It has a brass bushing that unfortunately came out with the H&I . I didn't note the lube hole orientation in the bushing when I knocked it out . It seems obvious that they should be on the reservoir side but I didn't get it to squirt yet so I can't verify that .

Instead of having the T shaped ejector anvil it appears that it has caliber semi specific base rods that actually pass into the die rather than stopping on it . I haven't yet confirmed if this is a standard design or an owner alteration.

A 5/16 bolt with the head dressed flat and the points rounded off should be good to go as a replacement part . A flat nose punch should take care of the nose needs and be easy enough form out with a drill press .

I think if the H&I bushing were steel it could be it could be locked in with a nut.
Another excuse to own a lathe I guess.
 
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RBHarter

West Central AR
Hi,
Were those made by SAECO?
No , I don't think so . The Herters 45 may have been done or used parts from Cramer Pre Seaco .

I found several threads over there with most of this information. Some of it I retained from when I bought the first one but much of that was discarded as unnecessary for the first one . It uses the standard nose punches and Lyman H&Is .
 
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RBHarter

West Central AR
These are the top punch and ejector . The top punch has the rings on it . It's about 1.25" . The ejector has the step on the end , it's about 2.5" long .
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The work faces of the top punch and ejector.
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The whole package back together.
You can see the brass shoulder on the bushing.

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Disclaimer here I'm more about the tools being wiped down and serviceable than pretty . I also didn't dump the reservoir or boil it out. Looks like 50/50 that was still soft .
 
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seagiant

Member
Hi,
Yea, I was sort of joking, but...

It LOOKS like a Saeco to me, and Herter's was like Craftsman, and made nothing themselves.

No doubt, Saeco would want to make for themselves, for a higher profit margin.

Went STAR 40 years ago and have never looked back.

Thanks!
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I learned to paper patch to avoid buying gas checks.
I thumb lubed for 15 years because I just couldn't bring myself to buy a $2-300 press device to hold $25 a pop die . Then 2 came along at flea market bargain bin prices one with several dies included. This one was no different.

After using one a little bit I honestly don't care if I ever use the push throughs again .......but I have 3-4 dies for patch sizing and 2-3 more that I don't have H&Is for yet .

Honestly this was a pretty easy cleanup as long as the remaining lube work it's way out . Then I'll fill it up with my modified Darrs and and get to it .

I have 3' of 5/16 rod , a flat top punch should be as simple as cutting off a piece .
 

RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
No , I don't think so . The Herters 45 may have been done or used parts from Cramer Pre Seaco .

I found several threads over there with most of this information. Some of it I retained from when I bought the first one but much of that was discarded as unnecessary for the first one . It uses the standard nose punches and Lyman H&Is .
Carl Cramer stopped making stuff in 1945 when his government contracts ran out. He sold to SAECO in about 1948, who got all of his production material.
 

JonB

Halcyon member
When it came to Makers [suppliers/manufacturers] of the products he sold, Ole George Herter was anything but Loyal. He would switch Makers every year if he could make an extra nickel. Hence the frequent change of design of several products.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I have a case trimmer with a Herters tag on it . Not a lot has changed in rim hold collet type trimmers. The replaceable cutter is nice but aside from the shape of the "y" beam it rides on and the crank handle it's the same as the Forster and at least one current market offering.

I suspect that at some point he was buying massive lots and had mixed parts "transition" models in the mix as a result.
 

KeithB

Resident Half Fast Machinist
I made up (and still have a few in inventory) some blank lubersizer dies for a Herters luber. The guy that wanted them sent me a sample and I made them from that. Except for the thread (5/8-18 I believe) they are identical to current Saeco dies which have an 11/16-24 thread (I think, not at shop to check). Since I already had the code for the Saeco's I just changed 3-4 lines of code and Viola!

Don't have any idea what model used these dies.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
I made up (and still have a few in inventory) some blank lubersizer dies for a Herters luber. The guy that wanted them sent me a sample and I made them from that. Except for the thread (5/8-18 I believe) they are identical to current Saeco dies which have an 11/16-24 thread (I think, not at shop to check). Since I already had the code for the Saeco's I just changed 3-4 lines of code and Viola!

Don't have any idea what model used these dies.
From my reading over there it is just a variation of the M49 not a different model .