Ideal 35875

CWLONGSHOT

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Its a ol timer!

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Any one have, use, or shoot this one?

In this alloy (soft) it is 206g and drops @ .362. Its also a bevel base bullet. I read it was renamed and origional designed for the 38-40 Maynard. But popularity of other 35's caused re numbering.

CW
 
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RicinYakima

High Steppes of Eastern Washington
My references also list it for Maynard (35-30 and 35-40), 38-45 Stevens (takes .362" bullets) unlike the 38-30 Stevens that takes a .375" bullet.

So in my old "Tip Up" 38-45 I have been shooting Keith 358431 HB bullets.
 

JustJim

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I hunted with that bullet in some warmish-loads from a 38/44 HD. At close range (<50 yards) they tumbled when they hit. When I tested them on the range, I found they started tumbling in the air at about 80-90 yards (kinda like the way wadcutters go crazy sometimes at similar ranges).

If I ever get my hands on a .357 max I'll give them another try, probably using mag brass to shorten the OAL.
 

Cadillac Jeff

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Yup got that one too!
I would have to go look but I am pretty sure it is fat like your's 62 at least,
Just can't get to excited about the bevel base tho??? Probably ok just like a nice flat base.
 

JustJim

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From the jackrabbits I examined, it looked like the bullets swapped ends and went off in strange directions. On the range, my guess was the bullets were too slow coupled with a twist that was too slow to stabilize them. At least, that was my best guess at the time.
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
I've had similar 'Tumbling after impact' effects using Lyman #358430 (195 grain RN) at 600-700 FPS on jacks as well. Crank them up past 800 FPS and that stops happening. This was with the slower twists in Smiths and Rugers.
 
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Bret4207

At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Ah HA! So the "RPM Limit" theory IS real! It's just the lower end of things. Wheres Larrys number?.........

For those that have no clue what I'm talking about, it's all from another age.
 

richhodg66

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I remember buying this mold when I was a lot less experinced caster thinking it would work well in my old Marlin .35 Remington. Never tried it yet, but since then, I got the NOE clone of the RCBS bullet and that is pretty much the end all for .35 caliber rifle bullets as far asI'm concerned. I still like old, interesting molds, though, so I'm interested in how this does.
 

richhodg66

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I seem to remember that thread, though I tried to stay out of ones like thst. Never could understand how those 35 page pissing contests got started so often ove there. Those guys seem to thrive on drama like teenage girls.
 

RBHarter

West Central AR
While I use the principal because it applies to my uses .......

It is very real when you exceed the ability of the bullet to hold together. Harder to go faster just isn't useful to me . Remember I had an 06' with an 8.5" twist and actually failed jacketed bullets .

At long range over spun bullets will key hole because they stay horizontally flat vs following the arc , they didn't actually tilt they failed to follow the aerodynamic line is all . More so with 5-50 mile artillery than practical 500 yd paper .

It is a practical explanation poorly executed as gospel. If it had no merit then a 40hp would shoot just as well as a 90 gr vld in a 1-7" 223 dia . But it doesn't work like that . 1-11" is great in 7mm now that the 175 is basically dead . Greenville is probably responsible for the 6.5mm at 1-8" but at least they didn't have to come up with something new VLD copper 160s in Grendel's.

All hail the fast twist mall ninjas .

Artillery twist is given in 1 turn per diameters so a 1-8 16" is 1-128" . Thank the stars we us inches under 1# cannon makes one wonder if there was a translation in ML from dia per rotation to inches per turn a 1-33" 50 cal would shoot a lot of different Conicals than the 1-66" PRB only which would be 1-33" if it were originally 1 turn in 66 calibers .

I played with the Mountain Molds calculator in 7mm to see just how long/heavy I could go ........ At 1-9.5 at 255 gr I was still within the stability limits , the bullet was like 2.5 long . I can't bend my vision much past a cartwheeling , "s" shaped , jump rope on exit . Kind of like the 2 piece cruise missile .
 

CZ93X62

Official forum enigma
We have that 'RPM Theory' dust-up and a few others like it to thank for the evictions of quite a few GREAT members now here--and perhaps for the creation of A&SBC outright. In that respect alone, the RPM Theory has merit--even if in a back-handed ideation.

Enough of that. Bullets/missiles/projectiles can be under-spun and over-spun. They can be stabilized perfectly by an ideal twist rate........and that actually happens in real life--about 3-4 times per lifetime, I imagine.

Do I give a rip? Not really. Unless you are watering your houseplants with Dom Perignon you aren't in a position to have Twist Rates For All Seasons in the calibers you ride herd on. Most .30" bores use a 1-10", and we get along pretty well with that. .224" barrels have gone from pillar to post just in my lifetime--from the 22 Hornet's rimfire rate (1-16") to the javelin-hurlers' pet twist of 1-7". My own pet Mastodon Flattener (9.3 x 62 Mauser) got by for close to a century at 3 turns per meter (about 1-13.1"). Then came the 320 grain beast bullets in .366", and now the 9.3 gets a 4 turns/meter pitch cut into it. I'm here to tell y'all that 286 grains stepping out at 2400 FPS leaves the user with zero doubt that the primers functioned. 'More' isn't always 'Better'. I don't know what you hunt with 320 grain x .366" bullets--probably semi-tractors. I'm certain that recoil on one end of that rifle differs little from the recoil on the other end.

I have only been shooting and hunting for 57 years, so I still have lots to learn. To date, I have yet to see a need to compensate for curvature of the Earth, the Earth's rotation while a bullet I launched was in flight, or the other minuteae that the long-range Creedmoor fanbois seem to obsess over. Far more important theorems occupy my thinking.

The late Ed Zern pointed one such concept out some years ago in Field & Stream magazine. This concerns the wherefores and the whys of missed strikes on rising trout while fly fishing. Mr. Zern advanced the idea that Einstein's theory of the time/space continuum was at work here. In other words, the closer that a thing approached the speed of light, the slower that time advanced. At light-speed, time ceases to exist.

This explains much. Many is the time I have double-hauled a weight-forward line in an attempt to reach rising game fish at a distance from my boat. I have placed the fly or bug right on top of those miserable fish and only had them blow up on the presentation and miss the hook entirely. For years I thought this was my error--in fact it was NOT. You see, that fly/bug/Muddler was hurled at such speed by my double haul THAT WHEN THE FISH STRUCK THE BAIT HADN'T ARRIVED YET. Time/space continuum bit me--not the fish.
 
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CWLONGSHOT

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I cast up nearly 300 of these today. In COWW alloy hardness all from this single cav mold. :)

So that should aughta be plenty to play with for a while.
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I have them sized .360 and Ill size down as needed. 350legend will probably be first. Ill size them to .356.

CW
 
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Rick H

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I'm here to tell y'all that 286 grains stepping out at 2400 FPS leaves the user with zero doubt that the primers functioned. 'More' isn't always 'Better'. I don't know what you hunt with 320 grain x .366" bullets--probably semi-tractors.
A guy I worked with got to thinking about all the deer hunting talk around the shop and decided to buy an all around deer rifle and take up the sport. After carefully perusing catalogs and ballistic charts he decided, all on his own (too proud to ask any of the other hunters their opinion), to purchase a long Mauser actioned Whitworth in 375 H&H Magnum.
Stunned when he showed up in camp with the new rifle, I asked why a 375 H&H? His reply was simple. "It was plenty big enough for deer and if needed for '56 Pontiacs as well." If I remember correctly he didn't have any trouble dropping Michigan whitetails with that rig.