LaPierre Resigns
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Petrol & Powder
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And just to give some background - The NY AG cannot dissolve the corporation (The NRA) but that doesn't mean the corporation will survive if there's not enough money left over to continue operations.
If the goal of the NY AG was to remove LaPierre, she has succeeded. As Outpost75 points out, the rats are jumping ship. Those defections of defendants in the civil action will undoubtedly improve the government's case.
When this is all over, the NRA will have to reorganize, either in its current form with new leadership or as a new entity. One thing is certain, LaPierre is out.
If the goal of the NY AG was to remove LaPierre, she has succeeded. As Outpost75 points out, the rats are jumping ship. Those defections of defendants in the civil action will undoubtedly improve the government's case.
When this is all over, the NRA will have to reorganize, either in its current form with new leadership or as a new entity. One thing is certain, LaPierre is out.
RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis."
The CMP was conceived in the early 1900s during a period in U.S. history when civilian training in marksmanship was viewed as essential to total military preparedness. Its mission and purpose were simply to train U.S. citizens in rifle skills in the event that they might later be inducted into the military.
We can thank Teddy Roosevelt for the DCM's creation. Then Billy Clinton for its destruction and creation of the CMP.
Petrol & Powder
Well-Known Member
I don’t know if “irony” is the correct word because “the government” isn’t a continuous single entity that exisited over the last 153 years. “The Government” is a very broad term used to identify lots of things. This current civil prosecution of an organization called the NRA is being carried out by the New York state Attorney General. “The Government” that was in favor of supporting the creation of the NRA to improve civilian marksmanship and gun safety was the U.S. legislative and federal executive branch back in 1871.
I think it would be more accurate to say the attitudes of the general population changed over time and the attitudes of the elected officials change along with the people that elect them. The “Government” did not turn on the organization it created; the people turned on the organization their ancestors once supported.
We’re going to get awfully chose to politics here, so I’ll just say the NY AG has no direct ability to dissolve a lawful corporation. The NY AG can try to take down Wayne and maybe even take some money from the NRA, but that civil prosecution has limits. She has effectively taken LaPierre out of his role at the NRA. What will happen after that is speculation.
I think it would be more accurate to say the attitudes of the general population changed over time and the attitudes of the elected officials change along with the people that elect them. The “Government” did not turn on the organization it created; the people turned on the organization their ancestors once supported.
We’re going to get awfully chose to politics here, so I’ll just say the NY AG has no direct ability to dissolve a lawful corporation. The NY AG can try to take down Wayne and maybe even take some money from the NRA, but that civil prosecution has limits. She has effectively taken LaPierre out of his role at the NRA. What will happen after that is speculation.
TXTad
Active Member
I bought a life membership a few years ago when they were selling them cheap, but other than that, I haven't done more than observe and wait for him to be gone. I was dimly aware of some of the political shenanigans that went on back in the 90s (or even 80s?) that led to the creation of some of the other groups.
Even though the NRA has been rife with problems and fairly ineffective lately, I'm happy it sill exists as I think that is good for the other organizations. Most anti-gunners are so ignorant that they are unaware that there are any other gun advocacy groups. As long as the NRA is here to divert their attention, so much the better. I would prefer that the NRA was more effective, but it's mere existence is still useful.
Tom
Well-Known Member
I've been on again, off again annual since the 70s, later joining as a lifer. It always seemed that they compromised way too much, but I figured that was the best we could do. When groups like saf.org came along and got aggressive I started thinking the nra got more donations by losing, thereby panicking us into more donations. While the nra is the biggest, saf and goa are the best bang for the buck. I switched my donations from nra to those two.
I hope the nra is able to survive. If they do and restructure with a much smaller board of directors, I'll start contributing again.
I haven't gotten any requests in a couple years, but they appeared to think their membership were uneducated hicks. Most appeals for money sounded as if they were composed by national enquirer writers.
I hope the nra is able to survive. If they do and restructure with a much smaller board of directors, I'll start contributing again.
I haven't gotten any requests in a couple years, but they appeared to think their membership were uneducated hicks. Most appeals for money sounded as if they were composed by national enquirer writers.
Petrol & Powder
Well-Known Member
The civil trial of New York v NRA has begun. The NRA’s dirty laundry will be put on full display and some good may come out of this exercise. This lawsuit is a result of the NRA doing a poor job of policing itself. LaPierre’s corruption and the complicity of his minions will be center stage in that trial. In the end, the state of New York lacks the power to directly dissolve the NRA, and the organization may even recover some money (although I doubt it will be a significant amount). The initial goal of the New York Attorney General to dissolve the NRA is not within her authority and she must settle for dragging Lapierre through the mud. I’m OK with that exercise, LaPierre earned it.
This entire affair is a reminder that Lord Acton was very astute when he wrote, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.". As an organization, the NRA has goals that many of us support. Defense of the second amendment and promotion of gun safety are worthy endeavors. There can be little doubt now that corruption existed at the top of the organization, and that corruption is being addressed. No one was watching the store and that’s dangerous. The NRA is now paying the price for their lack of oversight but, it is unlikely they will make that mistake again.
It’s clear from the way the media is reporting on this trial that they realize they’ve already lost the ability to take down the NRA. The AG has largely delegated the trial to a subordinate. The story is being reported but the focus has shifted to LaPierre’s personal corruption and away from the NRA itself.
Supporters of firearm owner’s rights and defenders of the 2nd amendment will need to decide if they wish to support the NRA or if they wish to direct their money to other organizations. Those are individual choices, and I will not weigh in on those personal decisions. The NRA remains a powerful gun rights lobby and perhaps even a useful lighting rod.
Some good will come out of this fire.
This entire affair is a reminder that Lord Acton was very astute when he wrote, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.". As an organization, the NRA has goals that many of us support. Defense of the second amendment and promotion of gun safety are worthy endeavors. There can be little doubt now that corruption existed at the top of the organization, and that corruption is being addressed. No one was watching the store and that’s dangerous. The NRA is now paying the price for their lack of oversight but, it is unlikely they will make that mistake again.
It’s clear from the way the media is reporting on this trial that they realize they’ve already lost the ability to take down the NRA. The AG has largely delegated the trial to a subordinate. The story is being reported but the focus has shifted to LaPierre’s personal corruption and away from the NRA itself.
Supporters of firearm owner’s rights and defenders of the 2nd amendment will need to decide if they wish to support the NRA or if they wish to direct their money to other organizations. Those are individual choices, and I will not weigh in on those personal decisions. The NRA remains a powerful gun rights lobby and perhaps even a useful lighting rod.
Some good will come out of this fire.
TXTad
Active Member
I wonder if she might feel and act differently if she was aware that she is doing gun owners a service.
Petrol & Powder
Well-Known Member
I don't think her original intent was to help the NRA but that may ultimately be the result.
Bret4207
At the casting bench in the sky. RIP Bret.
Anyone else remember G Ray Arnett? This isn't NRA's first kerfluffle since the days of Neal Knox and Harlan Carter. My issue is who/what replaces LaPierre? My $ is on a new version of him, when a thorough house cleaning at higher levels is needed. The power needs to be returned to the membership, just as the power needs to be returned to the stockholders in any other corp.
Txcowboy52
New Member
Well like others have said, it has been a long time coming. Hopefully this will be a positive change for the NRA and they can move forward with new leadership and become a stronger proponent for our 2A rights . I honestly believe they need a complete overhaul. I think they should scrap the board of directors and reorganize with a more manageable number of directors which should include member of the firearms, ammo and component industries. All we can do is wait and see, time will tell.
There will be many calls for restructuring, mainly by people striving to build their own concept of what the NRA should be. Without an organized effort to gain control of the many deliverables of the NRA, the NRA and its members will not gain, but merely transfer the reins to another group headed in the same disastrous direction it is now in.
VMGO & 4X4X4 - There is a structure, with a few added diagrams, that an effective project or organization uses:
Levels (VMGO):
VMGO & 4X4X4 - There is a structure, with a few added diagrams, that an effective project or organization uses:
Levels (VMGO):
- Vision- What is the organization being built for.
- Mission - What resources are needed to accomplish this vision
- Goals - What are the specific goals to be achieved.
- Objectives - What are the steps along the way to measure these goals.
- Accept (the trigger) - What begins each process (or project).
- Research - What knowledge is needed for this step.
- Action - Take action on your research.
- Transfer (Terminate) - Move your deliverable to the next step in the process or terminate at the end.
- Efficiency - How well is the resource being utilized versus the planned expenditures.
- Quality - Is the deliverable able to be used when delivered. (Rework is costly in dollars and time impact on the schedule.)
- Cycle Time - What is the time needed for the action to happen,
- Schedule - Is the schedule being met.
- Network - Each phase diagrammed with boxes representing an action (title is verb and deliverable plus the lead person as the job role) and all boxes connected to the previous box delivering and to the next box,
- Communication - All needed reports with current metrics connected from the responsible person to the person needing the information.
- If the Board members do not understand this approach, are not familiar with the workings of these metrics, and do not actively ask questions for any discrepancies, then we will have no progress.
- Metrics are your friend, use them to make a reasoned decision for change.
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RicinYakima
High Steppes of Eastern Washington
I agree Bud. Having been through two complete rebuilds of fire departments, you are not going to get anywhere without a professional management consultant. If they don't, it will be a fight between "shooters" and "2nd A" politics again, just like when Arnett was kicked out. Which is why the NRA Whittington Center is no associated with the NRA.