LBT 460 500 & 650 M

Hello all,
I got these 2 molds in a big lot at an online auction and was wondering if anyone knew anything about them. The only thing I'm able to find that the (M) stands for Marlin. Thanks in advance. Boats


 

358156 hp

At large, whereabouts unknown.
They could have the short noses necessary to feed in the modern Marlin 45-70s. RCBS made special moulds for these rifles as well in 405 gr & 500 gr. Got pics of the cavities? I also believe Veral used "M" to stand for "modified", but these moulds don't show his usual descriptions.
 

BudHyett

Active Member
Background: I sent to Veral an order for three molds including my 1895 .50-110 Square Bolt. Ordering a 300 grain mold, he sent me a 335 grain mold since it fit the rifling better. Calling and taking to him, he knows the varying forms of Marlin rifling and built molds to the rifle. This rifle was Ballard style with deep grooves and he built the mold accordingly. The mold shot well.

Strictly speculation: These molds may be made for the shallow-groove Modified Micro-groove rifling which Marlin offered. Marlin made a first run with conventional rifling barrels to test the market, then a short-run of 16-groove barrels since the market was there, then the Modified Micro-groove 12-groove barrels for cast bullets. The Modified Micro-groove barrels are slightly deeper rifling with square corners on the lands.

I've shot a friend's 16-groove 1895 with cast. We were shooting 405 grain bullets cast at .460 to fit the leade, wheel-weight alloy, at 1500 feet-per-second getting 2 minute-of-angle five-shot groups. Marlin eventually went to the Ballard-style rifling to appease the gun magazine writers who know nothing about fitting the chamber leade and not the barrel.

This reinforces my thought most gun magazine writers know nothing about cast bullet shooting. (They produce Masculine Bovine Defecatory Material)
 
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Axman

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I have a fall of 1998 LBT catalog that says New bullet designs.
It's reads,
45 M is designed specifically for the lever action 45-70's with minimum bullet weights of 350gr, 400gr is the most popular and very accurate, with heavier even more accurate.

I bought a 400M then just as the Marlin Guide guns came out.
I shot a few sub 1" 3 shot groups @ 100 with the factory sights.
Here's a pic of the page
 

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Intel6

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I have the same mould in 405 gr. I called and talked with Veral about another mould I was considering. I then asked him for a suggestion for a mould for my 45-70 lever. He immediately brought up the "M" mould design. He said it was designed to run through the marlin levers great and the SWC style shoulder engages the throat/lead centering the round in the chamber. I have shot this bullet a lot and it has always been a great shooter in my marlin.