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[358156 hp]

Tight group, W296, and H110 make me nervous.

With the "Cheerios" powders I ain't scared a notin'.
Just wish I could find 8 lb of those fluffy little round donuts in some brand or other.

296/H110 are volume sensitive powders. They require a specific loading density to perform properly, which is why they should never be reduced beyond published data. For hollowpoints I use the loading data of the parent design since case intrusion by the bullet base is a major factor.

You mentioned a 452374 HP. Is this a Devastator? Lyman drastically reshaped the original bullet design to create the Devastator, this included cutting the bullet weight by about 10%. I think the 452374 Devastator weights 200 gr, instead of 230. However, the standard 452374 HP is roughly around 220 gr. I haven't bought any Devastator moulds because I feel Lyman reduced the weight of the original design too much to generate expansion. The bullet noses seem a bit too thin for serious use, especially in my beloved 1911 and their rather drastic feed angle from the magazine. However, they do expand readily with the right alloys.

 

[Mitty38]

mentioned a 452374 HP. Is this a Devastator? Lyman drastically reshaped the original bullet design to create the Devastator, this included cutting the bullet weight by about 10%. I think the 452374 Devastator weights 200 gr, instead of 230. However, the standard 452374 HP is roughly around 220 gr. I haven't bought any Devastator moulds because I feel Lyman reduced the weight of the original design too much to generate expansion. The bullet noses seem a bit too thin for serious use, especially in my beloved 1911 and their rather drastic feed angle from the magazine

Not sure just matched them up to my Lyman load book. By weight, diameter, length, grove size and location. The RN has the exact measurements so it is that mould or o near perfect clone.
The hollow point is obviously a converted round nose of the same mould or at least something very close to it. It never mentioned a devastator.

@CWLONGSHOT made them, So he would have info on the exact mould.
They run an average of 218 grain for the round nose and 208 for the hollow point t within +-1grain.

 

[Mitty38]

296/H110 are volume sensitive powders.

Which is why I save the H110 and w296 for the 357 max loads.
Do not use it for anything else. Just not that adventurous.

 

[358156 hp]

Devastator mould info by Glen. It doesn't sound anything like what you're working with: http://www.lasc.us/FryxellLymanDevastator.htm

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

Im thinking its a NOE 453-200. Can you post a pic or txt /email me a pic Emmett? I should know if I see it. I sent you an assortment I dont remember exactly what.

CW

 

[Mitty38]

The HP is a bit fatter after looking at it side by side. But when I loaded it up. Both bullets shot the same, with the same load.

 

[Mitty38]

Devastator mould info by Glen. It doesn't sound anything like what you're working with: http://www.lasc.us/FryxellLymanDevastator.htm

Interesting reading I have read some of his stuff. Must have missed that one.
Kinda a cool factoid, that hollow points were not originally designed for expansion. But to make a bullet lighter so it could go faster with Black powder. While having the same Volume-caliber.
I actually learned something.

 

[JustJim]

However Longshot seams to work real well with the 200 grain wad cutter. Plus it gives me a really cool light show in low light.

If you want a light show, just load with Blue Dot. People can see the muzzle flash through a brick wall.

 

[Mitty38]

If you want a light show, just load with Blue Dot. People can see the muzzle flash through a brick wall.

I have several pounds of Blue Dot but have not opened any yet. As I have a 20 guage 3" magnum 870 and plan on loading for it one day. However you have made cracking open a pound tempting.

 

[JustJim]

Start low and work up. I'm still working the same 8# can I worked up my loads with, but I don't know the numbers for the current production.

 

[CWLONGSHOT]

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The HP is a bit fatter after looking at it side by side. But when I loaded it up. Both bullets shot the same, with the same load.

OK, the Green is the NOE mold 453-200 But the other Im pretty sure is a Lyman Mold cast long ago. I dont believe I have cast solids from this NOE mold.

Ill check the bottle of that NOE tomorrow I believe I have more of that batch remaining. The RN Im pretty sure you got all I had cast.

 

[Ian]

So it's not an actual Lyman mould.

I have a 452374HP Devastator mould. It's rated at 185 grains but mine casts 205 grain bullets with 50/50 WW/purish alloy. It is profiled exactly like the solid except for the part of the profile which is truncated by the HP cavity.

 

[fiver]

should have read Ian's post.
the one in orange looks like the 374.
the only thing about just buying one and running off a pile now days is they changed the mold.
the old ones were 452 for a ways above the lube groove.
the new ones? 448 450 whatever they got that day.

i gave an old one away to help Ken pay the server site fee's when gunloads was still halfway running the show, and they didn't have their yearly month long jerry lewis telethon.

 

[JWFilips]

If you want a light show, just load with Blue Dot. People can see the muzzle flash through a brick wall.

Even better yet "Power Pistol" That lets you see where your shot went!

 

[Mitty38]

Even better yet "Power Pistol" That lets you see where your shot went!

I used to love shooting Real Black Powder. Like GOEX, When you could still get it.
On a damp day the bullets had contrails.
Smelled like you opened the gates of hell, and sounded like it too.